Emerald (Merged)
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From: LPL
Is this the poor guy who did a couple of days of command training, then came up to MOB central for a tech refresher course on the shed, only to be told that he now didn't have enough hours to go in the left hand seat?
If so he's a strange character but still it's no way to treat someone.
A wild shot in the dark...but I'd guess no-one asked for the almighty MOB's approval before upgrading this guy to the lefthand seat. So therefore he's reversed the decision thus making the flight ops director/Shorts fleet manager etc, look like idiots. I hear the MOB likes to be consulted on everything, hence the recent delay in changing the lightbulb in the CVT toilet.
Either that or the guy wasn't up to the task, however flying a shed isn't exactly rocket science.
If so he's a strange character but still it's no way to treat someone.
A wild shot in the dark...but I'd guess no-one asked for the almighty MOB's approval before upgrading this guy to the lefthand seat. So therefore he's reversed the decision thus making the flight ops director/Shorts fleet manager etc, look like idiots. I hear the MOB likes to be consulted on everything, hence the recent delay in changing the lightbulb in the CVT toilet.
Either that or the guy wasn't up to the task, however flying a shed isn't exactly rocket science.
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From: U.K.
BF, a bit insulting don't you think.
The F/O in question has been treated apallingly, I think this is the 3rd time he's been pulled off his upgrade training. The chap is not a "strange character", but a competent pilot who deserves a command. God knows we need a few more captains at the moment, especially those that know the routes and peculiarities of Emerald Operations. Those coming from elsewhere seem to last approximately 2 weeks on-line and then realise what a shower of s**t (copyright Dada) it is before disappearing again.
I would have thought, that the basing and upgrading of crews is down to the fleet managers and flight ops people, NOT a non-flying CEO. (What an idiotic title, where are we Dallas?) But as per-usual, the teddies get chucked out of the pram since highly competent people have dared to make a decision that the MOBster hasn't come up with himself.
If I was GG or RM, I'd be spitting chips........ (Over to you gentlemen.)
The F/O in question has been treated apallingly, I think this is the 3rd time he's been pulled off his upgrade training. The chap is not a "strange character", but a competent pilot who deserves a command. God knows we need a few more captains at the moment, especially those that know the routes and peculiarities of Emerald Operations. Those coming from elsewhere seem to last approximately 2 weeks on-line and then realise what a shower of s**t (copyright Dada) it is before disappearing again.
I would have thought, that the basing and upgrading of crews is down to the fleet managers and flight ops people, NOT a non-flying CEO. (What an idiotic title, where are we Dallas?) But as per-usual, the teddies get chucked out of the pram since highly competent people have dared to make a decision that the MOBster hasn't come up with himself.
If I was GG or RM, I'd be spitting chips........ (Over to you gentlemen.)
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From: LPL
Say again.. I didn't say he wasn't a competent pilot, and he's certainly deserves his command, he's been there long enough. But that doesn't stop him being a strange character, which IMHO he is. Maybe I shouldn't have mentioned it, because as you say it is an appalling way to treat someone, strange or not.
I agree that 'the basing and upgrading of crews should be down to the fleet managers and flight ops people, NOT a non-flying CEO' ..... however that doesn't seem to be the case.
Just ask the captain who finally got rebased back in LTN close to where he lives after waiting god knows how long in CVT, only to have the MOB reverse the decision 2 months later because he hadn't approved it.
God knows how that makes RM feel, but MOB has always done this, he treats his managers like S**t, undermines their authority, makes them feel like powerless idiots, until they have enough and leave. This is the way MOB stays in control.
I agree that 'the basing and upgrading of crews should be down to the fleet managers and flight ops people, NOT a non-flying CEO' ..... however that doesn't seem to be the case.
Just ask the captain who finally got rebased back in LTN close to where he lives after waiting god knows how long in CVT, only to have the MOB reverse the decision 2 months later because he hadn't approved it.
God knows how that makes RM feel, but MOB has always done this, he treats his managers like S**t, undermines their authority, makes them feel like powerless idiots, until they have enough and leave. This is the way MOB stays in control.
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From: U.K.
To be honest we've all got to be a bit odd to keep on working at Emerald in the first place!
Unfortunately, your comment on MOB's "management" technique (I use the term exceedingly loosely) seem to be spot on.
How many have seen the latest e-mail on deep night duties and hire car useage? Or is this not the placed
to discuss such things, BALPA forum maybe?
Unfortunately, your comment on MOB's "management" technique (I use the term exceedingly loosely) seem to be spot on.
How many have seen the latest e-mail on deep night duties and hire car useage? Or is this not the placed
to discuss such things, BALPA forum maybe?
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From: England
Quite agree.
The BALPA/Emerald forum is now open.
Not wanting to stop us all using Pprune, but this is a resource for all the Balpa members at Emerald, (MOB, thats most of us!).
Please use it to find out the latest with regard to recognition and recent illegal rosters etc.
Its just like Pprune, but in confidence and only available to Balpa members!
The BALPA/Emerald forum is now open.
Not wanting to stop us all using Pprune, but this is a resource for all the Balpa members at Emerald, (MOB, thats most of us!).
Please use it to find out the latest with regard to recognition and recent illegal rosters etc.
Its just like Pprune, but in confidence and only available to Balpa members!
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From: England
Full explanation of all this on the Balpa/Emerald site.
'Straight..', to get on the site you need to be a Balpa member and flight crew at Emerald. Its our way of no longer having to do all this in public!
Still things may be about to change for the better in the next ten days....
'Straight..', to get on the site you need to be a Balpa member and flight crew at Emerald. Its our way of no longer having to do all this in public!
Still things may be about to change for the better in the next ten days....
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From: Wilmslow
The old website www.emerald-airways.co.uk has been revived. Also www.emerald-airways.com is now pointing to the same pages, giving an option to visit either the original site or flyjem.
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From: The North
say again s l o w l y
I have written this before and you didn't respond, but i honestly think you are being very foolish. You have made lots of posts on Pprune making it easy for the CEO of Emerald to identify you, yet you continue to post aggressively. Do you think that will put you at the top of the list for an ATP course, or an excellent reference should you move on?
If you are that unhappy with Emerald take one of the offers you undoubtedly have to fly for another company. From what i have read about the CEO of Emerald if you piss him off you may well have a bit of a problem.
I have written this before and you didn't respond, but i honestly think you are being very foolish. You have made lots of posts on Pprune making it easy for the CEO of Emerald to identify you, yet you continue to post aggressively. Do you think that will put you at the top of the list for an ATP course, or an excellent reference should you move on?
If you are that unhappy with Emerald take one of the offers you undoubtedly have to fly for another company. From what i have read about the CEO of Emerald if you piss him off you may well have a bit of a problem.
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From: U.K.
Well, if stating the truth is aggressive, then so be it.
They're not half as aggressive as the way we are treated....
As for wanting to go onto the ATP, you're having a 'larf! Shed pilots have got as much chance of getting on that as George Bush has of winning mastermind!
I think the CEO has more things on his mind at the moment than worrying about whatever comments I may make.
Anyway, why should I jump ship now, hopefully with BALPA on-board things'll improve and I'll be as happy as a pig in pooh. The flying is great and the vast majority of my colleagues are excellent. If I disappear now, it would seem a little like giving up to me. I'm curious to see what will happen. Fingers crossed an improvement, not just in our lives as crew, but also more profit for the company. Since at the moment, the wasteage is ridiculous.
They're not half as aggressive as the way we are treated....
As for wanting to go onto the ATP, you're having a 'larf! Shed pilots have got as much chance of getting on that as George Bush has of winning mastermind!
I think the CEO has more things on his mind at the moment than worrying about whatever comments I may make.
Anyway, why should I jump ship now, hopefully with BALPA on-board things'll improve and I'll be as happy as a pig in pooh. The flying is great and the vast majority of my colleagues are excellent. If I disappear now, it would seem a little like giving up to me. I'm curious to see what will happen. Fingers crossed an improvement, not just in our lives as crew, but also more profit for the company. Since at the moment, the wasteage is ridiculous.
Last edited by Say again s l o w l y; 31st October 2004 at 22:08.
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From: The North
The thing is Emerald is a stepping stone for you say again, i wouldn't get so worked up about things. Just get the good old CV machine running and move on when you can, and until you do get a better offer why not just keep your head down, much safer!
I'm sure you are aware that operators like Emerald don't have masses of cash, start costing them too much or causing them problems and you may just end up out of a job. Better to be in paid employment and all that.
I'm sure you are aware that operators like Emerald don't have masses of cash, start costing them too much or causing them problems and you may just end up out of a job. Better to be in paid employment and all that.
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From: U.K.
You are probably right, well in actual fact you are right!
However it is very difficult to stand by and watch a place be destroyed through incompetance and ego-mania.
Is Emerald a stepping stone? for the vast majority of us, yes it is. That doesn't mean that I don't care what happens to the company and especially the people who work for it.
As a note, we weren't short of cash until they bought ATP's! As for costing too much, have you seen our salaries!! The wasteage caused by lack of crews must be getting astronomical, I shudder to think what must have been spent in just the past few weeks on just chasing their tails.
However it is very difficult to stand by and watch a place be destroyed through incompetance and ego-mania.
Is Emerald a stepping stone? for the vast majority of us, yes it is. That doesn't mean that I don't care what happens to the company and especially the people who work for it.
As a note, we weren't short of cash until they bought ATP's! As for costing too much, have you seen our salaries!! The wasteage caused by lack of crews must be getting astronomical, I shudder to think what must have been spent in just the past few weeks on just chasing their tails.