Racehorse transport?
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Up until very recently, Air Contractors 727's did a lot of UK-Eire horse flying. Had previously been done with the Electra. I think there was a proposal for someone like Raf-Avia or Eminex to do them on the antonov 72? (strange looking one with the engines over the wing) as you can walk on walk off so saving the horses a hi loader trip. Not sure who is doing them now.
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DHL are the ones commanding the vast majority of the European market using 727s (from ACL and EAT) and, very soon, (EAT) 75s. The A300s have also seen a few of the smelly bugggers. Mainly race horses, but also did a lot of flying last year for the horse-jumping whatever world championships in Spain; put us in a nice position to bid for the Olympics this year.
Doing a lot of flying for the Makhtoum's Godolphin stable, both race and endurance horses. Took a single horse Cambridge-Baden Baden last year for the German Grand Prix. They had to pay 4 sectors, as we positioned from/to BRU. Dunno what that'll cost them, but the first price at the race was a respectable 500K Euro. "Our" horse won
While I'm not at all interested in horses, the static Bugatti display was rather impressive. Not so impressive as seeing (and hearing!) the new 1001HP Bugatti Veyron race up and down the runway at Baden-Baden. At an estimated 1 Million Euro, you could buy roughly 10 Veyron's for the price of the horse that won the Grand Prix. Expensive critters .....
Doing a lot of flying for the Makhtoum's Godolphin stable, both race and endurance horses. Took a single horse Cambridge-Baden Baden last year for the German Grand Prix. They had to pay 4 sectors, as we positioned from/to BRU. Dunno what that'll cost them, but the first price at the race was a respectable 500K Euro. "Our" horse won
While I'm not at all interested in horses, the static Bugatti display was rather impressive. Not so impressive as seeing (and hearing!) the new 1001HP Bugatti Veyron race up and down the runway at Baden-Baden. At an estimated 1 Million Euro, you could buy roughly 10 Veyron's for the price of the horse that won the Grand Prix. Expensive critters .....
Still Trampin' the Ramp
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Daysleeper,
Rear doors activated with slides, fully BCAA/JAA approved mods. Most expensive part of the conversion was fitting reinforced cockpit door in case the grooms run amok! Gonna be a nice bird for the job but a lot of time has been spent rewriting the T/O procedures 'cos otherwise they go up too fast.
Watch this space a coupla weeks
RT
Rear doors activated with slides, fully BCAA/JAA approved mods. Most expensive part of the conversion was fitting reinforced cockpit door in case the grooms run amok! Gonna be a nice bird for the job but a lot of time has been spent rewriting the T/O procedures 'cos otherwise they go up too fast.
Watch this space a coupla weeks
RT
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Daysleeper
You, ehh, don't wanna do that mate. Despite the reinforced door, the grooms'll be coming after you if your driving inflicts any harm on the beasts - string ya' up by the tie in the nearest overhead bin. Oh and that N1 button you press at take-off? Nope, sorry, off limits. Better stick an inop tape on it 
And real pilot over auto-pilot, if you please.
And real pilot over auto-pilot, if you please.
Moon Walker
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NEW SOP!
after positive rate ,gear up ,select v/s +200 and quickly clean up
Do not follow the noise departure but try to fly arround the solid bits.
The fun days are back again daysleeper
!
Neil
after positive rate ,gear up ,select v/s +200 and quickly clean up
Do not follow the noise departure but try to fly arround the solid bits.
The fun days are back again daysleeper
!Neil
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A level deck and beautifully co-ordinated turns are not always the answer. There was a great crash down the back end which upon investigation revealed a horse had fallen asleep. He was returning home after stud duties. Know the feeling.
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Out of interest what happens with the humane killer on the new 757 jallopy transport. I always thought it had to be under control of the flight crew and would be issued to grooms if needed (P45 option) but with the armoured flight deck concept what do you do. Issue a firearm (ok captive bolt but easy to convert) as the grooms board or wait till they knock on the flight deck door and say can we have the gun to shoot you both?
Nineiron: so it true you used to have "relations" with horses
Nineiron: so it true you used to have "relations" with horses
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Daysleeper
You have the human killer at your finger tips mate. A horse goes beserk, and the grooms advice you of this fact. The grooms goes on oxygen, you dump the cabin pressure and the nags to go sleep. Problem solved.
Using a .45, or a deadbolt, will render several million Euro's worth of horse rather dead. That will not do; them horses are far more expensive to replace than you and I mate
Will there be a humane killer onboard? I suppose so. It will be under the command of either a vet or the chief groom. Will it be used? Not unless you can't dump the cabin fast enough!
As for the reinforced door ... Well, it doesn't actually improve communication between cockpit and cabin does it? On the horse fligths I've loadmastered I seem to have been constantly going from cabin to cockpit conveying information (can we descent to escape turbulence? - when are we landing? - can you fly around them towering CBs? - are the horses behaving? - have you briefed the grooms/vets about the landing - can you spare me a fag? etc etc etc). Not exactly crucial information, but something that is very much appreciated by the grooms. And they are our costumers, and if they should develop negative feelings about flying with DHL, they've got the power to make the contract go to someone else. The power they hold is the sole reason that a few of the rear windows will be uncovered both sides; to let in a bit of sunshine which will make them happy.
The good thing about a door is that it can be left both open and closed, if you catch my drift ....
Using a .45, or a deadbolt, will render several million Euro's worth of horse rather dead. That will not do; them horses are far more expensive to replace than you and I mate
Will there be a humane killer onboard? I suppose so. It will be under the command of either a vet or the chief groom. Will it be used? Not unless you can't dump the cabin fast enough!
As for the reinforced door ... Well, it doesn't actually improve communication between cockpit and cabin does it? On the horse fligths I've loadmastered I seem to have been constantly going from cabin to cockpit conveying information (can we descent to escape turbulence? - when are we landing? - can you fly around them towering CBs? - are the horses behaving? - have you briefed the grooms/vets about the landing - can you spare me a fag? etc etc etc). Not exactly crucial information, but something that is very much appreciated by the grooms. And they are our costumers, and if they should develop negative feelings about flying with DHL, they've got the power to make the contract go to someone else. The power they hold is the sole reason that a few of the rear windows will be uncovered both sides; to let in a bit of sunshine which will make them happy.
The good thing about a door is that it can be left both open and closed, if you catch my drift ....