No, a 100% increase would put the CN back at COS99 after the 50% COVID cut.

Then discussion should continue on real COSILIV increases….

Dont believe the hype, and I know, “tell ‘I’m he’s dreamin…”

Sorry Raven, but give me two brand new SO's over 3 man long haul any day.

True my mate at EK says as 380 FO he’s clears 8200 USD pm with all the allowances and OT etc. But his kids go school for free, free housing and utilities. So he’s on about 66k HKD pm disposable income.

Not if that airline was CX and they had hedged.

Raven , you raise a very valid point , but safety sadly is driven by lip service and money .If RH was a manager of repute he would not have needed input from the training dept he would have taken action on his own on the merit of the issue.
so let’s take a worse case scenario , a brand new SO is on his own in the flight deck whilst the FO takes a toilet break . Explosive decompression occurs , the supplementary CA sitting in the jump seat has no Oxygen supply so has passed out by the time the FO tries to get back in .
Thus the SO may have to manage the entire process on his own not something that fills me confidence .

Joblow….I’ll take your example one step further. Time of useful consciousness at 41,000 feet in an explosive decompression is less than 10 seconds and requires pressure breathing oxygen. In your example, the brand new second officer and young cabin attendant in the cockpit fail to extract and get their masks on in less than 10 seconds….
The relief crew outside the cockpit will not have pressure breathing oxygen available to them as they attempt to use emergency door entry procedures to bypass the locked cockpit door and they succumb to hypoxia. The aircraft continues to fly until it runs out of fuel….

i raised this very scenario many times to Flight Ops management to no avail…..because…safety was their top priority.

Ever heard of the Auto Descent ? The SO will do just fine …

Only the 350 has auto emergency descent. The 777,747 & 330 don’t.

Will an overweight 60ish year old immersed in his Golf magazine be quicker than a 22 year old SO? I would call it a toss-up :-))

Well, given that on more than one occasion we've had unaccompanied SO's sit petrified and completely unreactive through TCAS RA's in the cruise, my money is on the 60 something Skipper every time!

An SO should have more exposure to emergency descents in training. This said, the problem is the lack of exposure to actually operating the aircraft, which also results in a lack of engagement on the job. It's one thing to know the procedure in the sim, and another to not get jittery when something actually happens and the guy in the seat isn't completely comfortable in the aircraft.

That statement is so wrong on many levels.
It makes me wonder if you are actually a pilot at all.

Perhaps you are not as smart as you think you are.

God, some of you guys have absolutely no idea.

Please tell me you don't fly jets for a living!.....

Wow wow wow...

Who was it said "you better keep your mouth shut and appear stupid rather than open it and remove all doubt".

The levels of green lack of knowledge and understanding in some of the above comments are astonishing. I'd rather do a rapid descent all alone by myself any day than have one like these sitting next to me attempting to help.

If these are cathay pilots, it truly shows the scary low levels of knowledge and experience present on cathay flight decks today.

In the last 50 years, on western civil aircraft, how many sudden cases of loss of cabin pressure and subsequent application of 10-20 sec of TUC? Now consider the number of flights where it did not happen. Then consider the total flight time of all flights globally and put it in relation to the total time of a long haul flight with an inexperienced SO alone in the seat.

I think Magenta is not far off, less than one in a billion would be my guess.

Meursault
Now give us the stats on the chances of loosing an engine during a heavy weight take off precisely at V1…..

It’s the limited thinking like yours that led to the disastrous development of the 737 Max. How’s that working out for Boeing?

Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

V for Vendetta

Totally agree.

Just before I retired I had a line SO on a check ride that was completely unaware of the requirement for pressure breathing above 35,000’; he was also adamant that the concept of “Time of Useful Consciousness” regarding the onset of hypoxia in a high altitude decompression was a myth because he could hold his breath for over a minute…..

He was a fully rated P2X line pilot.

As I posted earlier…what could go wrong?

So you are saying probability doesn't matter? Or that the estimate is wrong? And where is the association to the 737 Max? Or to an engine fail at V1? I am discussing a specific threat in cruise with an SO as sole occupant. If you disagree with the proposed ratio you are welcome to offer an alternative number. Maybe I am wrong. But simply stating my thinking is limited is, well, quite limited indeed. And what is the meaning of "weak" and "hard times" in this context? Is trading insults without substance "strong"?

You argued that the chances of an explosive decompression are less than a billion to one.

The chance of losing an engine at precisely V1 on a heavy weight take off is infinitely small. Yet, it is the worst case scenario…so regardless of the small chance…we constantly train for the worst case scenario. We don’t not train for it because the chance of it occurring on the line is small.

Do you think it was weak men or strong men that oversaw the development of the 737 Max?

Your argument doesn't make sense to me. We do train rapid depress as well, all the time. I also never proposed to stop preparing or training crew for highly improbable events.

And again, what makes me "weak" by arguing with a probality? And what has the 737 to do with it? I have no clue ( and neither have you) what exactly went wrong at Boeing, plus it is completely out of context.

Got me laughing ........ reminds me of the Chief Purser, with probably 20-25 years in post, asking me as we chugged along in the cruise, "Hey Captain, if we depressurised, we'd still have time to gather in the dinners etc before we sat down with a mask, wouldn't we" - absolutely true !

Good grief !

I've had two depressurisations - one, in a wide-body twin, occurred a few seconds after an engine failure at 37,000 feet whilst climbing to 41,000'. So, masks on shutting down an engine and turning to our ETOPS alternate ....... truly, a couple of years later, the scenario had been introduced as a SIM loft and many complained that it just not realistic and it was just wasting training time.

PS aircraft with the auto depress systems have malfunctioned royally in the recent past.

you are definitely not a professional pilot flying commercial aircraft - your knowledge is beyond embarrassment

Actually, your stats were far more accurate than every other stupid comment that you made in your post

It seems you did not understand the clear and simple conditions I made and still you talk about knowledge. Nevermind, I had low hopes of an articulate and rational discussion, seems impossible in here. Good day.

not quicker (you are showing your inexperience) but he will do it right

I agree that the level of experience is reaching a rock bottom but some of you are acting like an explosive decompression is an every day event. And that it will just so happen to happen when the other pilot is in the toilet. And that it will be senior pilot in the toilet. And that the SO will not react. You probably have better odds of a plane crashing due to an asteroid hitting it than the above scenario.

Not much thread drift here.

Last 20 odd posts are so relevant as to the op’s question. 🙄🙄

The OP signed out a minute after starting this thread, and hasn’t returned.

He started an another username to continue Cathay bashing which has been removed along with many posts; work it out yourself! Trolling will never pay off in the long run 🙊🙈