Yikes, not a good time to join AHK then. The problem was they were such a happy little organisation, can't have that now can we lol.

Petition for Rodders!

I agree with HFX, Rodders is a gent and would be a breath of fresh air compared to the other guy.

I'll second that!

Anthing to keep a Zim in a job......:p

FLYBYGIRL- by your standards you would never see a strike in any industry because it adversly affects people outside of the company. By your standards employees across the globe should work for a pittance so that no one else suffers.

Sorry, your living in a dream world.

FLYBYGIRL is right, in this regard in particular, there is a bigger picture here that appears to be being totally ignored. The bigger picture is that the AOA is on a course of self destruction at the moment. It is slowly but certainly imploding. I am not a believer in straight statistics but the numbers in this case are a bit scary for all of us. AOA membership significantly down, a large group of pilots not even allowed to join the AOA and the financial burden on the AOA remains constant and might increase if litigation becomes involved. A management strategy might be to take the AOA to court for losses incurred by union action, this has been successfully done in much more liberal places than Hong Kong. There is a place for unions in this day and age and who will represent the pilots when the AOA fails completely. I have urged the AOA leadership for a long time to accept that this battle is lost. Stop all industrial action, change the people involved in negotiation and get back to the table. Gosh, as a gesture maybe some of the 49ers might come home as a result. There will be other times where the hope of a better outcome is more assured. I feel dreadfully sorry for all the 49ers, loyal martyrs to union ineptitude, but at this rate unless things change NONE of them will ever work again at CX.

No Plastique in this you are wrong. Aircrew have for eternity demonstrated their naivety and lack of business acumen when involved in industrial disputes. Get the best deal you can through negotiation, demonstrate your absolute necessity to a good bottom line, and then negotiate again. There are no winners in a fight but always one loses worst.

You invest a fortune getting trained (time and/or money), get you hours up, progress up the ranks, and then take the moral high ground with ideas that others put in your head, and suddenly your out on your ear.

Industrial action brings out the worst in everybody and things can get ugly real quick. Hong Kong is not a democracy, it is not a job for life (all you can be sure of is the next 3 months).:rolleyes:

The current situation is laughable, the tactics are straight out of a primary school playground.

The Union is still trying to posture, still trying to justify their existance and high cost.

As it stands I imagine that CX will try to keep the status quo, and allow the AOA to decline.
I mean really, 1 year on the union are trying to sue my colleagues for the additional subs, in a year where many of our colleagues were relying on big tax loans to cover the 13th month which didn't happen.
The big hitters in the union are professional unionists, who have their own agenda and will happily abandon HK if and when they get the settlement they think we want, and work for the highest bidder elsewhere.
The rhetoric Finlay comes out with is unreal.

As time goes on I'm getting more and more cynical, and I'm starting to recognise a different agenda.

I just hope that more of our (impressionable) colleagues don't get lead on a road to selfdestruction to be sacrificed to further other peoples agendas.

Agree that there are hard liners polluting the atmosphere. Other than vindictiveness on behalf of one union official I doubt they have the naus for a hidden agenda. Management must have really smiled when the status quo was retained after the last election. AOA leadership have promised;
1. All 49ers back at work, and
2. Everything finished in 11 months now.
The only way for the AOA to force anything is to seriously ramp up industrial action. When the majority renege on that it will give demery and co an 'honourable' way out - and they will take it.

All reference to Muppets removed.

OK Ladies and Gentlemen, in deference to your late colleague please keep all references to the 49ers. polite and relevant, regardless of your point of view. Thank you.

BlueEagle - Moderator.

The problem remains inept management of the Airline & AOA.
The company management created the impasse by inaction, many
years of screwing staff created short term profit, ignoring real
change, most rostering still done with a pencil twisted in an anus
with the resultant mess flicked onto the master roster board.
The AOA committee unable to communicate with itself, stop the
delusion! they want a settlement as much as the 49er's, get rid
of the ban, it has only achieved hardship and guaranteed no talk.
Scores of ex Ansett pilots have been interviewed, most of them already black listed by IFALPA, what is the ban achieving? one
thing only, the continued unemployment of the 49er's.

Thanks Blue Eagle, apology accepted Plastique.

"late colleagues"?!

Perhaps words could be chosen a tad more carefully. With the sad exception of Mr. England I believe the rest of the 49'ers are still alive and kicking. Unemployed, unfortunately, but let's not get carried away. Or is "late" a British/Aussie term for fired/sacked I'm unaware of? If so... as you were...:rolleyes:

Ananova:

Cathay Pacific - no plans to talk to pilots if industrial action threatened

Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd (293.HK) has no plans to negotiate with its pilots' union while management is under the threat of industrial action, chairman James Hughes-Hallett said.

In a news conference on the company's interim results, Hughes-Hallett said management has always been willing to talk "but not under threat of industrial action, which is happening now."

He said urging other airline pilots not to seek employment with Cathay Pacific is considered to be a form of industrial action.

On whether fresh threats by the union to resume industrial action if the management does not return to the negotiating table by Oct 9 will affect its operations, he said: "I don't think so. The Hong Kong travelling public is accustomed to Cathay Pacific and its operational efficiency."

He said Cathay Pacific was able to record good results in the first half, not only due to improved demand but also due to the tremendous cooperation of staff, both ground and air.

The carrier reported six months to June net profit of 1.412 billion hkd from 1.319 billion the previous year.

A Visit to the Optician for PeterZee?
 

PeterZee, suggest you visit your optician before you next jump onto your keyboard.

If you bother to read my post you will see that, quite deliberately, I used the singular, 'colleague' - not the plural, as you suggest. I was refering to a particular person who has, tragically, died and whose memory should not be besmirched anywhere but particularly here on PPRuNe.

You are so typical of so many clowns we get on PPRuNe who either don't bother to read a post or don't bother to read a thread and then jump in anyway with a whole load of nonsense.

Hope you feel better when you wake up and it has worn off.


BlueEagle - Moderator.

Agreed, and for the record I do have sympathy for the 49ers, but unless there is a major change in the upper echelons I don't expect them to be back flying at CX.

I guess there's too much 'face' to be lost on both sides.

Things got out of hand quicker than expected last July (on both sides) and I don't think anyone expected what happened.

It's tough to be out of work in these challenging times, ironically CX are one of the few outfits actually making money, and in a position to recruit flight deck crew.

I just wonder in hindsight how many of the 49ers were really prepared to make the huge sacrifice the ultimately made.:(

A hissy fit for Blue Eagle?

It was precisely the disrespect you mention that I was trying to address - I did fail to notice the singular (oh what a difference an "s" makes)....if you "bother"(ed) to read my post, does it make more sense to you in that context? Or was it just too hard to resist the opportunity to pontificate?

Since you get the really wide brush out to start painting me as a "typical clown", allow me to repay the favour and say you sound like a typical Brit, seizing upon an opportunity to huff and sniff about how "you" have to deal with the likes of me, who misread a post and replied under an incorrect premise...horrors...tut tut

I understand you're retired, maybe use the time to take the Dale Carnegie refresher...

:p

Dale Carnegie Stress Management Course

Even I noticed BE is from Oz!

Doesn't mean he is not a retread, not that it matters where you are from. I think both of you have got a bit 'hot under the collar' a bit quickly. Relax guys and back to the point.