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I agree but public and named defamation is also serious. Hope the present situation resolved itself. Best wishes |
47% marginal tax rate is pretty normal in Europe.
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Originally Posted by The Range
(Post 10545841)
47% marginal tax rate is pretty normal in Europe.
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Originally Posted by cxorcist
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... and a giant ripoff considering what you get in services for that and the high national debt loads. Same in NY, a horribly awful scam paying that kind of tax. |
The 47% marginal rate is just the start, after that you’re looking at VAT/sales taxes of 15-20%, additional taxes when you buy a car and again when you fuel it up. Duties on alcohol and tobacco, stamp duty when you buy a property and capital gains tax when you sell it. If you’re poor and live off the system, or earning CEO money and raking it in you’re fine. Those in the middle feel it worse. |
Originally Posted by krismiler
(Post 10546700)
The 47% marginal rate is just the start, after that you’re looking at VAT/sales taxes of 15-20%, additional taxes when you buy a car and again when you fuel it up. Duties on alcohol and tobacco, stamp duty when you buy a property and capital gains tax when you sell it. If you’re poor and live off the system, or earning CEO money and raking it in you’re fine. Those in the middle feel it worse. |
We're way way off-topic here, but I'm curious what percentage of your income you pay for healthcare costs in your view of the world? All the data I have seen says that, on average, the cost is far, far higher in a users/insurer-pays system like that in the US than in a state-funded system as in most of Europe and Canada. And the US system also seems to have significantly worse outcomes overall.
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Originally Posted by Paul852
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We're way way off-topic here, but I'm curious what percentage of your income you pay for healthcare costs in your view of the world? All the data I have seen says that, on average, the cost is far, far higher in a users/insurer-pays system like that in the US than in a state-funded system as in most of Europe and Canada. And the US system also seems to have significantly worse outcomes overall.
Stay healthy and your costs will be low. Why do you feel that your fellow citizens should pay for your health care in the form of higher taxes?? No one seems to want to take care of themselves of their families. A socialist style health care system in the US would be a disaster for everyone except the lefties who forced upon us. They would still receive very nice care. |
But overall, you pay far more for your healthcare than people in, say, the UK, or Canada, or Scandinavia, and with poorer outcomes. From a user point of view the difference between a tax paid to the government and a premium paid to an insurance company is a matter of semantics. You pay more money for inferior results.
But really, this isn't a debate for here. Can we just agree to differ and return to discussing the aviation business in HK? |
Paul, you pay a much higher amount indirectly through exorbitant taxes. If you were to sit down and compare what an average middle class person pays in both taxes and health care in the USA, vs taxes and health care in the UK for instance, I can assure you of two things: 1) The US person pays less overall, and 2) the quality of health care is much higher in the US. Where do the worlds wealthy usually travel to for health care when they are really sick?
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It’s the same place where people have to declare bankruptcy when they get cancer because their crappy insurance won’t cover it (enough). |
Originally Posted by Air Profit
(Post 10546991)
Where do the worlds wealthy usually travel to for health care when they are really sick?
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Originally Posted by cvg2iln
(Post 10544742)
!989. I was right seat DC8 and successfully interviewed with CX. The company at that time was an ex- crab mess and had a certain stench about it. People of interest (names may not be exact due to fading memory): Malcolm Wagstaff in his pseudo wizard role - should be a member of the sexual predator #Metoo tribe - the planet is enriched should he now be singing with the great majority. My wife still laughs at the memory of this vile little man. There was also a somewhat flaccid ex crab named Baxter on the interview board - and a doctor Forsyth(?) who seemed to have a spine of plasticine being willing to dance to any tune the company called. All ex crabs of course - CX at that time was a magnet/ dumpster for a certain type.
Two months after turning CX's offer down I was DC8 left seat and four years later became a TRI. I do retain a few treasured interview memories and still smile at the absolute inadequacy of the offer from 30 yrs ago. |
Originally Posted by Air Profit
(Post 10546991)
2) the quality of health care is much higher in the US.
https://www.newsweek.com/united-stat...d-worst-637114 https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/...es/#item-start https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3633404/ But again, can we please get back to discussing the HK Aviation business? |
Paul, give it up. AP is correct in his assessment. Quoting liberal news sources that are ideologically bent on bringing down any conservative program or policy is not proving anything. I could offer similar conservative news articles arguing the exact opposite. I wouldn't look to the Guardian in the UK for support of Conservative party policy either. If you really get sick, you go to the States. Technology and the best Doctors. Yes, Switzerland it pretty good as well. Just don't try and argue that health care is "bad" in the US. It's not. You are simply swallowing the usual Democratic party crap that they use to justify Obamacare. As you said, let's get back to aviation because we could go on all day long like this.
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Originally Posted by Air Profit
(Post 10546991)
Paul, you pay a much higher amount indirectly through exorbitant taxes. If you were to sit down and compare what an average middle class person pays in both taxes and health care in the USA, vs taxes and health care in the UK for instance, I can assure you of two things: 1) The US person pays less overall, and 2) the quality of health care is much higher in the US. Where do the worlds wealthy usually travel to for health care when they are really sick?
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CX Leadership
Two things:
1. CX now being led by 2 Mainland Chinese ??? 2. Merlin Swire must be leading from behind... THIS is how #China really works.. Classic. |
That would be true if the average middle class person in the US had access to the Mayo Clinic. Sadly that's not the case. That’s the problem with socialized, government-provided medicine; it provides a barely ok system that costs way more than a private option. So I will prefer a system that allows the best healthcare options to exists for those that have the means, over one that provides universal crappy healthcare for all. Government is bad at everything it does, when will people learn that? The free market always does better. Name one government run system that is better than the free market option. Government’s only purpose is to perpetuate its own existence. |
Private armies don’t have a good track record. |
Originally Posted by Flex88
(Post 10548008)
Two things:
1. CX now being led by 2 Mainland Chinese ??? 2. Merlin Swire must be leading from behind... THIS is how #China really works.. Classic. |
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