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Originally Posted by Slasher1
(Post 10543575)
The other thing you gotta keep in mind is that while commies are evil, brutal, and power hungry they are not necessarily stupid. Bejing could well be exploiting these events as a sort of forced hostile takeover of the airline. Or what is left of it when the brew ha ha settles down. |
Originally Posted by Brown Nose
(Post 10543863)
Proper communists are the Australian government
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Originally Posted by Paul852
(Post 10543949)
Am I missing something here, or is that the most bizarre statement made on this forum for a very long time?
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You misunderstood my point. I fully agree that the Chinese system is not communist. What I found bizarre was the claim that the Australian government is!
And please try not to be so patronising. Thanks! |
Originally Posted by Paul852
(Post 10543998)
You misunderstood my point. I fully agree that the Chinese system is not communist. What I found bizarre was the claim that the Australian government is!
And please try not to be so patronising. Thanks! |
Originally Posted by fire wall
(Post 10543647)
Highly unlikely unless there is something else motivating the sale other than price. Swire and Air China currently hold 74.9 % of the shares. Qatar 9.64% and some other institutional shareholder 3 odd % (from memory). That leaves 12 % that are “liquid”. I think you are wrong as only a pilot would buy high and sell low ! It’s that larger picture that counts. CX being one of several pawns. I have no doubt that if that pawn were to become problematic for other rooks or bishops it’d be tossed aside pretty quickly. But it’s tough to figure out how this whole thing goes. Could be a flash in the pan; could be an excuse for a radical intervention and change. |
Originally Posted by cxorcist
(Post 10544011)
While not communists, the Ozzies are certainly on the socialist spectrum with extreme taxation, regulation, and high benefit levels. |
Originally Posted by Paul852
(Post 10544068)
If by "socialist" you mean having some sort of welfare state then yes I guess so. But that is the American definition of socialist. Conservatives in most developed countries regard a welfare state as a mark of a civilised society. At a quick look, the top marginal tax rate in Australia appears to be 47%. That's far from extreme - I grew up in the UK when the top marginal tax rate was 85%.
As for tax rates, I regard anything much beyond those assessed in HK to be excessive, which probably tells you all you need to know about my views on the welfare state and big government. I accept that there are valid opposing views. I simply don’t agree based on my knowledge of history and current events. I acknowledge that utilitarianism isn’t always fair, but neither is rights fundamentalism. PS - An 85% tax rate destroys almost all incentives to make more money. Would you work EFP if it were going to be taxed at 85%? I certainly wouldn’t. |
Did not know that Gordomac was a CX failure. Suppose I was too having being turned down by ASL Cargo as DEC on 747-200.Only reason I was interested was job was based in UK and paid in £Stg.
Met a CX crew whilst night stopping in Rama Gardens Hotel Bangkok where we also stayed and told them I had been interviewed by a ginger haired Kiwi training Captain and they all fell about laughing and said in one voice the FGI |
thegypsy. you were willing to join ASL, and help begin the destruction of the great career that was CX. It's your type that is the corrosive acid in our profession. Doesn't matter now, CX is finished anyway.
(btw, being turned down by ASL....!! that is like being turned down for burger flipper at McDonalds) |
Air Profit
It just shows how little you know about flipping burgers all day. It sounds like you may have to get your application into McDonalds sooner rather than later. Best of Luck with it. |
Gordo, apologies on both counts. Gypsy, you are wrong to consider yourself a "failure" too, although I get the most probable jest. Probably far too bright and worldly for ASL anyway.I do side with the "gypsy pilot" term. Many of us have remained loyal to our Regulatory Authority who licenced us to exercise licence privilage for "hire and reward". It was of mere commercial interest what was painted on the side of a plane. We went, were hired, were rewarded and part of it was to cover our backs . My sorrow is in seeing the other type of professional who put all eggs in one corporate basket and were immensely proud of what was painted on the side of an aeroplane . These types will be feeling tremendous loss at situations similar to the one we now see unfold in HK. Corporate loyalty has absolutely no place in hard commercial aviation. History showing us that lesson eh ?
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Originally Posted by Rated De
(Post 10542799)
The West lulled itself to sleep, singing the lullaby that Chinese economic growth would result in a liberalised China.
With Winnie set for life the West belatedly wakes to the reality of a tyrannical dictatorship. Sleep replaced by the nightmare that Chinese expansionism is real, its intent clear. For those of us observing HK it is very clear that this sets the tone for Chinese intent. Either we resist or we succumb, but the actions of those souls in HK ought remind us that the stakes are high. The retreat of globalsation ought give pilots/flight attendants cause for concern. Flying into regions that the company (safe away from security forces) still deem "good for business" may not be good for one's personal rights, privacy and property. |
Whilst not scoring too highly in the human rights department, the Chinese communists have done a pretty good job of developing China since the 1980s. Living standards have skyrocketed and parts of the country are approaching first world status. Compared to other countries such as Venezuela or Zimbabwe which can't even keep the lights on China doesn't seem too bad.
Rising incomes and opening up to the world has led to the population questioning the system which bought them prosperity. Will China become like Hong Kong and Taiwan or will it crush dissent and keep an iron grip as it becomes increasingly wealthy and powerful. |
Originally Posted by slowjet
(Post 10543766)
History serves up the best lessons. Mate of mine was ready to join Iranair in 1978. His Dad tried to put him off and himself, had lived and worked i....
Look back at history. The present is about to change very rapidly. Two months after turning CX's offer down I was DC8 left seat and four years later became a TRI. I do retain a few treasured interview memories and still smile at the absolute inadequacy of the offer from 30 yrs ago. |
HK’s Absent Government gets Cathay support as Cathay sacks 2 pilots
Cathay Pacific and sister carrier Cathay Dragon, reportedly under pressure from Beijing, have publicly supported the Hong Kong government’s handling of the escalating protest movement. On Wednesday, the company reiterated its “firm support” for the city’s embattled government.SCMP 2 pilots sacked presumably to deter other pilots from in any way supporting the protesters. Cathay may not think so but a fundamental principle of the rule of law in HK is that a person is innocent of any criminal offence until convicted after a proper judicial trial with a right to legal representation and proof of guilt beyond reasonable doubt Suspicion is not enough nor can guilt be inferred by association. I have no idea what the second officer on the Manchester flight actually did to warrant dismissal but that firing and the firing of the other pilot tells us ( again) that Cathay will not stand by or support it employees when pressured by the HK or Chinese authorities or by its stakeholders. Lets just go the whole way, remove the Cathay logo and rebrand Cathay & Cathay Dragon as China’s minor second tier airline |
Originally Posted by mr Q
(Post 10544782)
I have no idea what the second officer on the Manchester flight actually did to warrant dismissal
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cvg2ilin, I have no idea what point you are trying to make... but... you interviewed at CX 30 years ago, yet you still seem very bitter about something... are you sure the following
Originally Posted by cvg2iln
(Post 10544742)
Two months after turning CX's offer down
Most of all though I love that you chose to include the following in your diatribe:
Originally Posted by cvg2iln
(Post 10544742)
and four years later became a TRI
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I agree Roy. An utterly offensive post naming well known figures of that era and using disgusting language to defame them. I was working for CX in 89 and it offered the best terms on the planet at the time. So cgwhatever was obviously turned down as to disparage the deal of that time makes no sense. That was eons before B scale, 49ers etc. Nobody does care about whether the poster was a TRI and one wonders what the justification of stating that is. It is a real downfall of anonymous Internet forums when people are allowed to say such things when they never had the guts to say it to anyone’s face. In summary very bizarre to be so bitter about CX, yet apparently gone through the interview process successfully. Obviously failed to get in. By the way where are the moderators to allow such public and disgraceful naming of long retired CX employees? |
Didn’t literally no one care? Given the political situation in HKG at the moment may I suggest that there are probably more pressing matters to discuss than a passing comment from a fellow pilot about how an airline and one applicant was perceived 3 decades ago. Many, many people from around the world will no doubt be reading this for serious updates on a situation with truly global ramifications. ‘You smell, ‘cause you do!’ is not going to matter much if martial law is declared - if indeed it could be heard over the clatter of tank tracks down Hennessy Rd - those things make a racket on bitumen and concrete! Seriously, I mean no offence to anyone here at all, but I trust information from intelligent people (generally:):) ) here far more than I do the SCMP and second hand Western journalist reports. The risks for Cathay, Hong Kong, Taiwan and indeed the world are obvious. And whether anyone got into CX during its VERY golden years or not, I’m certain that however it was expressed a great deal of sympathy exists for all involved. Good luck, best wishes and be aware anyone involved has great support from many who will be reading and not commenting from all around the four corners of the circular globe. |
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