Hahaha more overtime pay for us anyways

Delta hiring
 

Two good friends here at CX just got hired with Delta in the last few weeks. These are NOT the top end skippers they are hoping bail, but cheap, vital mid range FO's bailing out. Looks like some decisions need to be made soon either to start treating their crew with respect in regards to all areas of employment, pay, seniority, rostering, contractual integrity, or they literally will not have an airline. Soon.

On the bright side for CX, is that the folks leaving are not giving their three months, so that's good solid income for CX on a regular basis. 😂

Delta just announced profits of 5.5 billion US, and profit share of 1 billion US... Smart move

If my maths are correct that equates to 4000HKD or half months salary. Whichever is less.

Average...
I assume that your calculations factor in no bonuses for captains...?

I reckon 7-12 years seniority FO leaving. Some Cat D some don’t want to go to HK but all fed up with this circus

When asked why leaving Cx after 13 years seniority, the FO answer was: Cathay isn’t going anywhere. Early January.

Seems more like he wasn't going anywhere, Cat D'd?

That’s a big assumption. Perhaps he was an FO on a base and unwilling to relocate to HK. Some CX pilots have spent their entire career on a base, both as FO and CN. That’s becoming increasingly difficult as bases are being allowed to wither on the vine.

He or she is right.

Bases: not going anywhere
HKIA: not going anywhere unless there are drastic changes to the airspace
CX conditions of service and salaries: not going anywhere
Rostering;part time rosters, reverse/commuting rosters: not going anywhere

Feel free to add to the list.

Yes, he is on the base.

Cat D at one point was assigned to pilots who were clearly lacking in skills. You could watch how they operate and it was clear. Now it’s assigned based on a multitude of reasons. Some even being political.
If a pilot who has spent 13-14 years flying the line and passing all their checks. There is no reason to not assign them a course. To not, is a failure of the training system.
I find that the enforcement of what is “standard” is very subjective. One checker gives you a 4 and another gives you a 2. I am frequently frustrated by this. Having flown for a few Airlines. This is the first one that I consistently ask, what the hell do they want?

What an ignorant statement.....

It's simple. They want you to caress their over inflated egos. You have to remember that most were picked from the bottom of the barrel, and all of a sudden feel superior due to their title.

There are however a few good ones with no chip on their shoulders and are extremely fair with nothing to prove.

100% correct. I don’t know why the incessant vertical head nod, oh I see, and let me write that down is so hard for some guys to fake. Just pretend you really respect them. It’s not like you have to fly with them everyday.

Australians.

I dread the day the training ban stops. A lot of brand new Full of It Aussie Captains who will be jumping at the chance to join training. Many think they are trainers already - imparting "knowledge" after just 5 minutes in the seat....most of it wrong

As an ex Trainer, I always loved to do "Command Training". First rule was "Let's enjoy this process". Next was "We'll spend a couple of hours each night of a Land Away in the books prior to going to the bar". Then, "I won't tell as long as you learn from any mistakes".Finally, - see Rule !.
All my guys passed and made excellent Skippers.

Arfur,

Don't worry, they probably all thought you were an old fart with a stick up your butt behind your back anyway. :)

Arfur, many of us, out there, just like you.We understand the term "training" rather than "testing". We feel that our training departments are part of a service industry where, in the case of the dreaded word "failures", we look at ourselves rather than the trainee. However, in my last company, we were swamped by the testers. Most Training captains looked the same. They had hunched up shoulders and swept back foreheads. There was a reason. If you asked THEM a question, they would hunch up their shoulders. When you told THEM the answer, they would smack their own foreheads.

I would assume you're looking for an angry response from an Aussie.

You're getting a considered response from someone else. It's ignorant to generalize Sir and you come across like a Knob.

Nah ill second him on that one... its true

I agree with that. Most can’t descend via a STAR with out asking the controller 3-4 times for a altitude. WTF, it’s on the SID. The controller repeats the clearance and is left with the thought, what the hell is wrong with CX.

DropKnee
Top Tip when trying to be condescending. Know what you are talking about:\
Are the SIDS that you are descending on the same as the STARS you are climbing out on:E

I always thought a SID was a departure so you wouldn't be descending!

The controllers are not the only ones with funny thoughts.

Overall CX "training" is a perversion of most any decent airline standard. There are a number in it for the correct reasons but sadly good training effort is largely overtaken by the influence of those that do not belong in training (and maybe even in airplanes, but we are talking CX here after all) and them that happily enable their being there. Another good reason to put this place in your rear view mirror. Most airlines don't lower themselves to politically weaponizing this vital safety department to the nefarious degree CX has proven to be capable of. I am glad to see a renown former “chopper” has retired to his small village in the UK. Too bad there is no shortage of the weak and under-confident needing projection opportunities eager to model the same bad behavior. Good riddance, but nothing will ever change here, save yourself.

I’m certainly no apologist for CX, as anyone on Fragrant Harbour for more than a few days can attest. Most of the “training” here is more like checking, but the standard really isn’t that high at CX anymore with all new hires being low or no time. So all in all, it’s just a bit of a dog and pony show. There are a few “choppers” left, most of whom are easy to get past if you just stroke their egos a bit. There are definitely some in training that do not belong, but you get that in every airline. It has gotten worse recently as the training ban keeps the good guys out, and several of the weasels slide in defiance of the ban.

This thread has, as usual, deteriorated into slamming and writing libelous statements about each other.

No wonder the pilot group at CX is so fragmented.

This pilot group is weak. You all deserve to stay at CX, as you all will.

Goodbye and Good Luck

Oh and before any genius says it, I was Cat A when I quit.

RusCo
Good point, well made.

However, this whole forum is not indicative of the pilot body.
It's the same 10-20 guys, banging away at each other. Like an old sitcom, entertaining for a season or two, then repetitive and uninteresting.

Bye pot! Meet kettle before you go.

Fixed it, my bad🤗

Feather Bo

Right! CX is actually a great place to work. HK is actually a great place to live, not overly polluted or expensive. Most CX pilots are very happy, especially with the quality and cost of food and schools. Those regularly posting on here are not indicative of the majority at all.

Believe that? If yes, I’ve got a bridge and some ocean front property to sell you. You are perfect for CX. This is a fool’s airline, and if it weren’t for the global seniority system, CX would have a fraction of the pilots it now employs.

If I could make a lateral transfer to any of the seniority driven airlines in my home country, I would do it in two seconds. Those coming to join at the bottom in anticipation of a “career” here are indeed fools. This is NOT a career airline anymore. You’ve all been warned, but that won’t stop you from complaining once you see for yourselves.