Managers. Knowing the cost of everything, not the value.

Anyone else notice the conflict of interest in that listing ?

"Board Members Memberships*
2012-Present
Non-Executive Director
NetDimensions (Holdings) Limited"

That the IT product we all hate called learners world, it never worked. So she is a director at Cathay having a related contract for Learners World which would come under her Cathay domain, and the company that supplies the software she has been a director of since 2012 according to Bloomberg.

Double dipping if you have ever seen it.

https://skift.com/2017/09/08/jetblue...rocery-clerks/

It will never end! The screws will keep turning lower and lower.

I squarely blame all of this on the seniority system that aviation holds onto so dearly, and airlines in countries with lax labor laws are destined to benefit the most.

They no longer have to pay you for your experience and skills like a lawyer or doctor etc because not enough of us leave/move to a different company when our present company turns the screws on pay and conditions.

Forget the transition, but imagine a system like doctors, lawyers, bankers etc where you freely move around to get the lifestyle / pay you wanted for as long or as little as you needed.

Now ask yourself how would a company stop you from leaving vs now?........ Hint $$$

The rest of the world survives without seniority and so would we.

So expect this behavior by CX to continue, the beginning was when CX turned the screws in 94 and they realised an insignificant amount left, base closures insignificant crew left and you watch, housing and and insignificant amount will leave.

Trainers will stay in training and crew will apply to training to off set the losses, the best bit is they can even reduce training pay for exactly the same reasons.

Seniority means you will accept a small pay cut to avoid a huge one, absolutely brilliant :ugh:

I'm all right Jack, as long as I'm ahead of you, as long as it doesn't happen to me, all these attitudes are a result of thinking in a seniority system going on strike never going to happen.

Your argument is completely flawed. At CX it's plain obvious that they want the more expensive seniors to go. How will a no seniority system have helped?

The sad truth is that with these highly technologically advanced jets, you can train just about anyone to fly, err I mean push buttons.

How many times do you read about an XX year old captain being the youngest to command an A320 or B777. In the old days that would never have happened, for the simple fact that it took more skill and experience to pilot the old heavy jets.

Let's face it, seniority or no seniority this is a dead profession, and the pay scales are a reflection of that.

Completely flawed eh?

Yet you give a perfect example, Jo bloggs youngest capt no longer is trapped in said airline, they leave as soon as they choose to leave and live in another country or get more money or fly a different shiny jet, grow up get a wife/husband kids change lifestyle whatever floats their boat. Said airline gets sick to death of training pilots and finally improves their COS to put some stability into their flight crew and perhaps hire crew from another airline and so conditions stabilise like jobs in the rest of world where highly skilled staff with long time experience credentials can control their 40 year career.

Hull loss accident statistics resulted in the FAA mandating that an apprentice pilot (i.e. A bare commercial license with a meager 150 hours) is not permitted to set foot in any US regulated commercial jet.


From the linked article:

"Major U.S. carriers long have relied on hiring pilots who already have the required minimum of 1,500 flight hours, typically amassed in military aircraft or by working as a civilian instructor before snagging a job at a regional airline. Breaking with that tradition, JetBlue borrowed from training regimens used by the military and some carriers in Asia and Europe to create the Gateway Select program, which seeks to train pilots “from the beginning.”

.......and then build up 1,500 hours of flying experience before they are hired at JetBlue."

Jet Blue's program is four years long and the candidate accumulates 1500 hours of flying experience at completion....and before setting foot in a Jet Blue aircraft.

Vastly superior than what the Asian and Middle Eastern airlines are currently getting away with.

US carriers would not allow one crew member to be an apprentice second officer...never mind allowing two of them on a long haul crew! No matter how much money this would save.

The Blue program is just another scam like so many fall for paying for ridiculous University fees. Most will not pass and be saddled with huge debt and disappointment. The American system. Everyone in debt to their eyeballs.

Agree that this in place - but can you cite where it was hull loss statistics that made FAA mandate this? AFAIK it was actually Congress who told FAA to do this, in reaction to the Colgan air crash (which is odd because both pilots were >1,500 hours) i.e. it was an emotional reaction, not a rational one based on data. As the Senator who sponsored it through said - anytime it hit a block he would wheel out the relatives of the dead - he didn't wheel out statistics

I think the age and experience thing is more to do with emotional maturity - 21 year old men have very high insurance premiums on cars because they are risk taking idiots, not because they are technically bad drivers. Air Forces around the world have had no problem pumping out thousands of skilled young pilots when required