why not a post...."Just say no to Kaptin M and FrankG":) :D

Two more reasons not to bother.

In early 1997 I stepped up another increment in salary and five years later the total salary is now about HKD 35 000 less. That’s correct, five more increments but the salary has gone down about USD 4 500 or GBP 3 000 per year

How about the guy who will have completed about two and a half years and will be leaving with a provident fund worth about HKD 30 000.

You know you guys are getting me depressed. I think I'll go donw to Wan Chai and have a few beers tonight.

ironass, what does he know? He's a friggen FE!! he's lucky to still be working, and if he isn't, GET A LIFE!!

6FU:

If "ironbutt" is "just a friggen FE", I'd hate to explore your IQ:o

goodness....ever notice all the venemous posts are by the "die hard union boys"? frankg, kaptin M, 6 feet under? really fun to read and laugh at.....just an fe?.....nope.......but an fe is the best thing u can have on an airplane anyway.....757s are 2-crew...:D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

P fund
 

Uhm, Daxon, leave any airline after 2.5 years and you get sod all pension/ pfund/ whatever...

Freehills


One of the points that the HKAOA has been trying to make is that the retirement benefits are far from satisfactory these days.

You may well be right about leaving an airline so soon but this has not always been the case.

After one year, my fund was worth in excess of HKD 30 000 and after four was worth over HKD 200 000. Now, I’m not suggesting that we should all go back to the really good old days but I do think the scheme that you are probably on, falls a long way short of the mark.

The scheme that the two and a half year guy is on certainly is.

100%
 

It would seem that adherence to the Ban is 100% in N America.

What in God's green earth are you absolute tossers trying to accomplish??

Pilot starvation at Cathay??

Not BL@@dy likely..

Can't you realize that the IFALPA is comletely overrun and it´s only a matter of time before you all be displayed at museums..

One of your arguments in the circulare is that you will never after accepting employment with CX could be considered for a position with any other airline in the world..

Aren't we dodging the truth just a wee bit now..

Realitycx. What absolute rubbish. All US course slots are full to the end of the year and another round of initial interviews has just been completed with a very high turn up rate. For a lie to be successful it has to have a smidgin of truth.

How would you know?

Because this is the second time I have seen this dribble posted and so went over to recruiting and checked myself. I also am friends with the CT captain who conducted the interviews in good old US of A.

Not a member of the AOA then? And recruiting is going to tell you the truth because...

You really seem to enjoy watching your colleagues get screwed over, must be in line for management I would guess.

What a nasty person you are 6feetunder, not interested in the truth only in proliferating b.lls..t. Perhaps if you took your head away from where your backside is, I mean from 6 feet under you would get a better view of life. Recruiting have no reason to lie to me or you and the facts are the facts.

Of course they don't, no reason at all.

Temp Bases USA
 

A more reliable indicator is the number of temp frtr bases required in USA to fill the slots there.

The Ban will never be 100%. But it is very close to that in USA. Overall it is effective - who would come half way around the world and take such a risk?

FOP Mngt are very worried about the changing pilot culture - CAD are too. The IFALPA ban is a huge headache for management - fact. Whether it is preserving a good pilot culture or simply putting bums on seats, it is a major concern.

Cathay Pacific No Longer a Career Airline
 

Below is a copy of a recent press release, which you can find at the HKAOA home page here, under the press release 09 July 2002.

Information about the ban is here and is copied at the top of this thread.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE 9 July 2002
Cathay Pacific No Longer a Career Airline

Contract Abuse Must Stop To End Nine-Year Dispute

HONG KONG

The Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association (HKAOA), the representative body for Cathay Pacific’s 1,600 pilots, today said that Cathay Pacific’s continuing abuse of its pilots’ contracts has turned the airline from a career airline into a contract airline. It also called for an end to contract abuse by the airline if the management wants to end the dispute.

Contract airlines, mostly the low cost carriers, function with short-term contracts for its pilots. Career airlines follow a different model with a seniority system to encourage the world’s best pilots to join for ‘lifetime’ careers. Through its mass sacking last year, pilots at Cathay Pacific are now effectively on a three-month contract.

“It is a tremendous shame that Cathay Pacific is only paying lip service to being a career airline,” said John Findlay, General Secretary of the HKAOA. “Its unilateral change to contract terms, continued intimidation of pilots and the mass sackings quite clearly show that they do not want to maintain their reputation for hiring the world’s best pilots.”

“If Cathay stops this contractual abuse, this dispute can end tomorrow. It is entirely up to Mr Turnbull and his colleagues,” continued Mr Findlay. “We are willing to meet at any time to discuss these issues in an open and transparent manner. We are willing to abide by the findings of an independent mediator.”

“We urge Mr Turnbull to consider this proposition and not to reject our request again,” he said.

Mr Findlay was commenting today at the end of the HKAOA’s Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM), held on the first anniversary of Cathay Pacific’s unjustified mass sacking of 49 pilots on 9th July 2001.

The sacking of the 49ers, who were fired by Cathay Pacific in an attempt to bust the union and intimidate its employees into submission, marked a new low in the nine year long dispute between the pilots and Cathay Pacific management.

Today at the EGM, the HKAOA’s members again voted to continue their support of the 49ers and their two colleagues who were sacked by Cathay Pacific one year ago. Despite statements last year by Cathay Pacific’s senior managers that the dispute was
over, it continues into its ninth year and support for the 49ers remains strong.

“This vote is a message to David Turnbull and his colleagues, that their union busting tactics failed a year ago, and they are still failing today,” added John Findlay.

Cathay Pacific’s management has rejected repeated requests by the HKAOA to meet to resolve the dispute, including recently a request to introduce an independent mediator.

The 49ers include four of the union’s seven negotiators, and a disproportionately large number of current and past union committee members.

Does this sound familiar????


Flight crew go slow affects flights

The Fiji Aviation Workers Association has begun partial industrial action at the national airline, Air Pacific, following a breakdown in talks over issues in dispute.

The action consists of a work to rule, overtime ban, go slow and withdrawl of goodwill and co-operation by nearly 400 members of the association.

It follows individual action by members, up to 80% of whom earlier reported sick, forcing the cancellation and rescheduling of flights.

The Manager of Air Pacific, John Campbell says the campaign of ringing in sick resulted in the cancellation of two flights out of Suva to Christchurch and Auckland. He says contingency plans formed in anticipation of industrial action by the Fiji Aviation Workers Association were quickly put in place.

Campbell says ex-pilots, cabin staff and engineers as well as non-union workers were called in to fill the worker shortfall.

He says all international flights will leave out of Nadi and there will be some delays.

The association has agreed not to disrupt flights carrying the returning leaders taking part in the summit of the African, Caribbean and Pacific countries in Nadi, but says it has not been given relevant information.

The European Union aid commissioner, Pascal Lamy, who was in Fiji for the ACP summit and talks on the sugar industry, cut short his visit and left the country early to avoid being held up.

Meanwhile the government says it is considering referring the dispute to compulsory arbitration.

www.nzoom.com

Lets hope management and union haven't been taking lessons in how to handle contract disputes from Hong Kong....

:rolleyes:

Does anyone proof read what they intend to post before posting? Gott in Himmel, do the AOA really think CX management gives a toss what happens at Air Pathetic? I imagine they (CX) have their own well funded contingency plans for any actions that might come. Realitycx, thank you for posting that jingoistic pile of rubbish which the AOA purported as truth. Question, if CX is no longer a career airline and has placed everyone on a three month contract what is the attraction in staying? Sure you lose seniority, above average pay and conditions and operating great equipment. But isn't that whole burst about job security and longevity in career? What about if the AOA want to stop the dispute they stop all industrial action as an act of sacrifice. The ban close to 100% effective in the good old US of A, of course it is lmao. CAD worried about changing pilot culture, rather a subjective throw away line don't you think. I work with senior CAD officers in a number of areas and they have never expressed any such thought, wishful thinking I am sorry to say. Cmon people there is a way forward but now it is the hard way, we passed up opportunities for the easy out. By hard way I certainly am not alluding to increased industrial action but rather to a humbling step down and sea change in strategy. Moderation and negotiation rule ok.