You don't get a full salary. They will put you on training pay.

Bonds are only industry standard if you believe they are. You've made your decision. Until you get here you won't believe what anyone who actually lives here will tell you.
A word of advice for everyone. It doesn't matter what you fly. What matters is lifestyle (pay and days off for the naive) and living in a place that makes you happy.

Relocation Allowance...?
 

Hi there,

I have an interview in HK soon and I was wondering if anybody knew if HK Express or HK Airlines pay any form of relocation allowance? (Air Fares/ Baggage Allowance/etc). I found an earlier post on Pprune but I think it was relating to Dragon Air.

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If they do is this limited to flights within their own network or will it cover me and the wife from Europe? Is it also a legal requirement for airlines in HK to pay for relocation allowances or is this really just company specific and a bonus?

Any advice would be appreciated cheers....

:cool:

FCTM

any idea for upgrade to command for senior FO.. in this airline these days.

No chance, guaranteed. They upgraded only 6 people in HKA and HKE in last 6 years or so. And they ate trying to upgrade only locals. But I am not sure if the people I quote is not too high. that is the reason many FO's are leaving.

thanks PBY..

6 in 6 years.. I surprise they got enough crew.

well i guess get the type and run...like the triads are after you with machetes and 3 by 2s....

Hey guys, also have an interview soon. Can anyone give a bit more info regarding the process who has been through it recently? Ive pm'd a couple guys with no response. Thanks.

Pay attention I will only say this once
 

Interview Process:
1. Panel Interview with management pilots
2. Simulator Assessment
3. COMPASS Test
4. Medical Check
5. English Test

The simulator is done completely raw data. Expect to do V1 Cut, ILS Go around and other airwork such as intercepting a VOR Radial.

Salary
All salary is based on 50hrs guaranteed. If you fly more than 50hrs in the month you will be payed at an overtime hourly rate. On average expect to fly about 70hrs a month. The numbers quoted below is the total salary.

There is a relocation allowance.

First Officer
<1500hrs Jet = HK$53750
1500-3000hrs Jet = HK$68750
3000hrs+ Jet = HK$78750

Captain
<3000hrs Jet PIC = HK$106250
3000hrs+ Jet PIC = HK$116250

28 Days Annual Leave + Wrap around days off before and after you leave periods.
14 Days Sick Leave

Command Upgrades
HKE has always had a very active upgrade program. It was stopped due to the fleet change but has now started again this month. There are already a number of candidates selected for the coming months.Selection is based on seniority and you are required to be in the company for 12months and meet all flying experience requirements. Line captains are asked to submit their choices to training department as to who they think are suitable for promotion.

Lifestyle
Normally about 10 days off per month
3 Red eye flights per month
1 Overnight per month (Tokyo - may be removed during winter schedule)

The flying is good. The crews are very nice to work with. A good mixture from all around the world.

The company currently has 8 aircraft with the 9 by years end and many more coming next year.

The culture and standards of HKE is very different to Hong Kong Airlines. They are 2 separate companies.

Are those pay figures based on 50 or 70 hours a month? And does that figure comprise of a combination of things? Ie. base salary plus flying pay plus per diem. Etc.?

How do those figures compare to HKA?

Salary is based on 50hrs

HKE Insider... quick question.

Sigmar just sent me an email regarding HKE... numbers come out as you say. Talk of a bonus also - 12/24/36month and accom for first 2 weeks.

Anyway my question... I've seen HKE recruiting directly. Do pilots generally go through an agency or do some people apply/work/contract directly to/for the airline? If so is there any variation in benefits that you know of vs agency?

Secondly, is Sigmar generally the agency of choice or are there different/more preferable ones?

Thanks.

The biggest mistake, I've been told, of aspiring HKE or HKA pilots is that they underestimate the cost of living and hence the lifestyle they'll have. I may sound like a lot of money to the uneducated (HK prices).

Be very cautions about you long term goals..

Wise if not fairly obvious advise For once Yeager ....almost a shame you've carved out such a niche market on this forum for being such a complete and utter Tool

Has it ever occurred to you Sorvad, that your none contributing comments are really just a reflection of yourself.. being a "working" ant, at CX, you should certainly know what being a tool is - I gotta give you that credit.. :p:D

Yes

All pilots as I'm aware of are hired directly by the airline

If 20 days off last month makes me a working ant, then I am quite content to be one

I like the 'none' contributing comment too Yeager....it carries particular weight coming from you

... Ok thanks HKE Insider.

I was reading about the wife of an expat who was relocating to HKG. She was told her housing allowance was "reasonable". Her housing allowance was $75,000 HKD per month.

the "reasonable" housing allowance, it should reach to HK$100,000 per month ! :O

I applied before I looked at this thread. Currently flying an ERJ in the US, but I think I'll stick to my regional here. Thanks for the info guys.

Don't let PPRuNe ever put you off anything. Full of negativity from wannabes and bitter people. Give it a go if it interests you :)

HKE Interview - tickets and hotel
 

Can anybody please tell me if HKE or HKA provide airplane tickets and/or hotel to attend the interview.

Thank you

Fark! :eek: That ain't Eddie the Eagle is it!??!?!


Yeah, sorry, couldn't resist.... :rolleyes:

I just applied there for non type rated first officer A320. I sent my résumé to their recruitment e-mail and through smart recruiters using my linkedin. I have about 1741 hours mostly multi turbine. I've been laid off for 8 months now. Im presently working as a record keeping assistant. The job doesn't sound so bad. As for the Hong Kong living doesn't sound much different than life here in the caribbean. I hope they send a response I'm very interested in seeing what they have to offer.

That's a good question I read somewhere that Hong Kong Airlines pays the ticket from a Hainan Airlines gateway. Seeing that they are sister companies I would like to assume they do but I too would like some clarity on this matter.

"Hong Kong living doesnt sound much different to life in the Caribbean?" Please do a touch more homework than that. Is the carribean listed in the top most polluted places on earth now days? 11deg and rain as i type... Even just goggle Hong kong, see what you come up with. We do however have very few deaths attributed to falling coconuts here admittedly.

Ok clearly your touching one aspect of the situation. Name one decent airline in the Caribbean region. The caribbean is a large region and if you put it together things aren't that great for the islanders on a whole. If you want to individualize it's even worse because as a pilot in the caribbean region you're flying old aircraft for peanuts. If your lucky enough to get on a nice aircraft it's still peanuts.

Living in a a shoe box like some said here in the forum isn't any different than still living with your parents which happens a lot in the Caribbean region. If you're worried about the cost of living that's everywhere some places better than others. Average salary of $2000 in the caribbean barely gets you anything descent to live in. If you're at LIAT you get paid in EC which is even worse than the dollar.

If you're lucky enough to be from the U.S. Virgin Islands you might stand a chance with a regional in the US hopefully you get on to a major or legacy if not they have the chance to bail with descent jet time and get a job else where because everywhere hires US pilots yet they don't hire expats for no positions. So after all that explain what's the difference now between living in that shoe box having the opportunity to fly something descent and flying a crap making peanuts living in your parents house? Hong Kong doesn't sound so bad. The caribbean is pretty but living wise you're in for a bumpy ride. The difference is opportunity which isn't blooming in the Caribbean region at the moment.

One aspect, ok, lets look at a few more. You might want to ask how many pilots on local terms can afford to house their family in something that would be considered liveable in any other country, "but it is HK you should expect it to be small." Why? No one ever seems to ask that, those that ask, leave.

How many local pilots still live with their family? A LOT. The lure of the big shinny jet is what keeps people coming, but that luster wears off quickly when you start to see the reality of living in one of the unhealthiest environments on earth with nothing to show for it at the end of the month except a few hours in your log book. Use it as a stepping stone, lucrative expat jobs in HK are a thing of the past. Spiraling cost of living cost of living that is not accurately measured in inflation figures, homes that are inadequate prison cells, and spiraling medical costs for untold damage we are doing to ourselves with every breath of chemicals that the government is too scared to measure accurately, and when they do, the actual figure becomes classified as a "State Secret". "Locally produced food" is affordable, but just google 'food safety china' and see why it is cheap. Then google "City Super" or "Taste" and see what you may have to pay for imported produce. Then google "Mislabeled produce at HK supermarkets", and see how much of the expensive stuff really is imported, or just mislabeled.

Also, the term shinny new jet is a myth. 30 days in HK air quality and the airframes are anything but shinny. The choice you are really making, is where would you rather be poor?

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That my boy I agree with you on it is truly where we would like to be poor. I think most are unrealistic about what they can get out of life. The way it sounds is like most of these pilots want to move to Hong Kong and bring along their families and apparently bring in all the bread without their spouses having to work. Not only in Hong Kong but anywhere in the world, not on a pilots salary at least. The air quality thing yea that's a bad situation but I'll relate it to the caribbean again during the hurricane season the people have no idea how much Sahara dust is in the air the whole time bring who knows what with it. I've heard most days the visibility is around 8km and on other days it's clear. In the southern caribbean their is an island of the coast of Venezuela called Curaçao and they have an oil refinery you want to talk about air pollution the air stinks sometimes and the fumes stay in the air a long while. My mental picture of Hong Kong is like that of New York a concrete jungle. New York's air quality is !!!! too man Las Vegas also and out west there is also the dust in the air. After a few drops of acid rain not even a car will look shiny anymore lol. I can't really say much about the food but most US foods aren't healthy either. With all those additives in it heart attack waiting to happen. I think most people find Qatar or Emirates the best choices but again you have air pollution and dust in the air but your salary is tax free though :). To me it consist of 2 questions first like you said "Where would you rather be poor?" And secondly "How long would you like to stay poor?" Just remember poor is a state of mind and everyone's defination of poor is different.

Any kind soul here can update info some info for HKE.?

Stuff like pay to expect for FOs and time to upgrade if you have are 5000 jet hours..Tks. Asking on behalf for a buddy..

Cheers

Sounds a bit like

. "Mornin' Doc - Err.... My "friend" has a Wart on his ....etc"

White None...Tks for the update. I am sure your English grammar got a pass when you applied for any jobs in HKg.

Btw..if u have nothing nice to say, jus zip it mate!

Sorry - Can't get Zip over Wart

(My friend that is)

Seriously - if I had any gem for you mate I'd give it, I just don't. Meanwhile we're generally trying to keep ourselves sane by the use of.....Humour??

.. that was f@cking hilarious - sorry for the bloke who did not pick that one up though.. Maybe he'll pick something else up from his "friend".. :ok::}

Roster
 

The contractual 8 days off a month, are those in a row or sprinkled?

Does anyone have any information regarding the new interview screening? I shall be going over in early Jan.


Any info greatly appreciated.

some are a breath of fresh air..
 

HKE Insider; you're a voice of reason in a sea of gibberish.
Can you advise what chance of an interview a1700 hr ATPL with recent A320 tr (but no t-o-t)?
Tkx in adv.

Sino_P

Update

Hiring Requirements
Just apply. Seem to prefer time on type. Sometimes not.

Days off
Normally around 10 days off per month scatter throughout the month. Normally one block of 3 or 4 days off in a row.

Could anyone suggest what includes the English test? Thanks in advance.