I see the pay is


A320 FO with 3000+ hours jet time: $10,159

A320 FO with 1500+ hours jet time: $8,869

Overtime available above 50 hours:
51-75 hours: $58/HR
76+ hours: $83/HR


I guess no housing, schooling.. or moving allowance etc..

I have no clue how life is downthere.

But these figures, is that a lot , or how do have put these numbers into perspective?

Tx

If it's gross with no allowances, it's peanuts.

so around 78738hkd and minus 11810hkd for taxes so take home around 66927hkd...:( i hope i am wrong with the figures...


if you go over 50hrs you get a few more peanuts. No mention of other allowances....

housing in HK is very high.. a size 14 shoe (box) is around 20K+ per month..:ugh:

hmmm

Jetjockey how did you come across these figures?

Jesus Christ, 67k is peanuts. You will not be able to live on that in Hong Kong.

Period.

I earn nearly 3 times that as an F/O in HKG, and that just about provides a manageable life for living in this godforsaken cesspit.

Even a single guy/girl would struggle, but with a missus or even worse kids, you're kidding yourself.

I guess it's monkey pay for a monkey operation. I've said it before, be VERY careful about going to work for these clowns. Reason - you very well might struggle to get a job anywhere else with that on your cv...

A good contrast is Ryanair, horrendous reputation from a passenger's point of view, but the training is excellent. Therefore Ryanair is a valid stepping stone, and the likes of Emirates and co. snap up the Ryanair pilots like there's no tomorrow.

Hong Kong Airlines = the opposite. :yuk:

66927 hkd is still 6400 eur net!:eek:

For me that is still a lot of money.

On top you get 58 or 83 per hour but you will fly for sure 80h a month.

Sorry being that naive, but what is so bad about that?

What am i missing here?

You have obviously never been to Hong Kong dboy. I doubt you could rent a toilet for 6400 euros a month.

No i ve never been down there and have no clue how life looks like. Thats why i was asking.

Not true from what I have heard. HKA is struggling with crew, becaus lots of them have left for Emirates and Etihad for a FO or DEC position.

Wake up! Aviation has changed. Nobody gives a flying fock anymore, for what company you have worked before and what standards you think you might have achieved, as long you have a rating, license, etc.

The HR department (and then in turn a skinny lady, with glasses in her mid twenties with 2 1/4 years of working experience) of a recruiting airline will get the task to hire 140 FOs and 25 DEC. They threw you in a simulator after you probably passed a computer aided assessment (outsourced to 3rd party outfit) and you rehearse a interview. If you pass you are in. No matter if you flew for HKA, Cathay, Dragon or even orbited earth 13x in a space shuttle before.

Nippi the space shuttle requirement will always stand in Aus😒

Monkey. I know plenty of guys who at 200 hours went straight to the RHS of a jet who don't meet that requirement.

Hi, got the inviation for the assessment next month!

Anyone else?

Ow, and those who applied, check you spam box. My invitation wasmin there and i found it by luck!!

You made me spit up my coffee. So true and so funny.

:ok:

I was looking at apartment rentals in HKG. It would cost me minimum of around 6000 hkd for a 400 square foot apartment in a not nice building in Kowloon. I saw some expat housing allowances of 75,000-100,00hkd per month. It seems that pay is crazy without a housing allowance.

It is brutally expensive to live in Hong Kong if you want to maintain your western standard of living, apartment, food, clothes.

If you want to live in Kowloon, shop at the local market for local food, ladies market for clothes that salary may work. Drink at the Circle K bar...eat DimSum at the corner "restaurant" or McDonalds.


If you want to live in DB/TC or Central that pay is not enough. I make HKE. salary in housing alone.



Naive, very Naive.

"6000 hkd for a 400 square foot apartment in a not nice building in Kowloon"

Good luck with that...a dump is actually a better description.

To dboy...if you have never been in Hong Kong...but you are going there for an interview, I would suggest you take a week there to look around, and try to find places to live, I mean a place to live that you would find acceptable. Then see how much of you "wonderful" 6400 euros you have left to spend on other things...like food.

There is no way on earth as an expat I would go to HKG without housing allowance. I do another expat gig, and there is no way I would stay where I am unless they gave me my house, or a big allowance. Being an expat, is not being at home, I repeat, is not being at home....so keep your eyes wide open and take it all in. And listen to what others are telling you.

Tx sops

Thats what i am going to do. I am not going there with pink glasses. I use my time to go to real estate companies to have an idea. I also,want to see if it is really my surroundings. And i must admit, when i hear hong kong i immediately think about pollution.

IMPORTANT NOTICE TO VIRGIN HOUSING HUNTERS.... HONG KONG there is something about Gross Area (Gross Floor Area (GFA) is a real estate term referring to the total floor area inside the building envelope, including the external walls, and excluding the roof.): 603 (sq.ft.) Saleable Area: 483 (sq.ft.)... which means you only live in a 483FT area NOT 603sqft..

SO a 400 sqft apartment is only 280 sqft of liveable space...for 6000hkd


here are some insight about housing in HK...

you not getting anything below 20000HKD..per month.

hong kong apts/housing for rent - craigslist

good hunting

I apologise for the very bad taste... But this housing to some unfortunate people of hong kong....

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/.a/...0dcb2b7970c-pi

I think the guy on the left is one of our new SO's....

He receives no housing allowance:O

You're computer is smart, follow it's lead, and leave the email in the spam box.

Does anyone recently hired or interviewed know an accurate pay figure for non-typed drivers? The above figures mentioned previous jet time.

Anyone got an invitation from HKE without jet time?:) just turboprop hours...

Thanks

Forget HKG unless you make 100,000hk/month minimum. The cost of living is at least 150% higher than just about any other city in the world.

Better off going to mainland china where you make double what HKE makes and the cost of living is a third.

70,000/month is NOT enough. I know, been in HKG 5 years, have seen prices of everything rise between 4-7% a year.

My rent when I first arrived was 14,000. Withing 1 year the owner raised it to 18,000. Two years later she sold it and the new owners rented it for 28,000.

Don't even get me started on food, restaurants and alcohol.

Given housing seems to destroy the whole thing on the pay offered, I've done a bit of research & unless you have other money coming in you will crash eventually on this pay at HKE

I'm out for now, the search continues

Current pay for an f/o with no jet time is HK$53750pm for 50 hours. Avge hours at the moment would be about 70 per month, so that would get you $62750, which is about $53000 after tax.

If you choose to live in Tung Chung or DB, don't expect much (if any) change from $20000, Central or anywhere on HK island will cost you a lot more and you'll get a lot less.

If you're single it's fine, married with no kids maybe okay as long as you can keep the wife happy, but don't even think about coming here on that wage if you have school aged kids.

Well i"am afraid i m also not going. Salary for highest rank F/o is still pretty poor taken into account the housing prices. An then i m not talking about having a car, buying food etc. Would have been nice gig if the salary was just higher.

Kestral00P...

you are EXACTLY the kind of guy that lessens the conditions for guys who are AREADY in a "Strong Position"

As long as we pilots keep accepting lesser pay and worse conditions the companies will offer less. Back when I instructed their were guys who taught for free. They did not value themselves or their skills.

You, Kestral, are worth MORE than they are offering.

what idiots pilots are.

Hello pot, this is kettle calling...
 

And you RusCo, are the epitome of the problem. Exactly how do your terms and conditions compare relatively to the A scales enjoyed before B scalers et al came along? :mad:

A scale was long gone before I came to CX.

I at least got the housing, would not have come without.

Pedantic Pomey :mad:

The salary makes a though living in HK indeed. Specially if you got kids!Why not try Dragonair? As they have a slightly better package, or even HKE you might jump as non TR into a 330. Quick upgrade? Hello!!! There are many qualified people waiting in line, some for several years, and DEC are still being hired.
On the other hand life in HK is pretty good. You will hardly experience another place where, as an expat, you be respected, and feel as free and safe as HK.

Bonds are not legal and if signed, not enforceable in HK.


It's good and you will be respected - providing you have money. And with that, I think we're back to the start of this thread.

Ok..i been smoking to much pollution these days...

whats the difference in pay , T & C between express and HKA.. etc.

I thought they where under the same group etc. same nasty pay.. and crazy management team..

Please enlighten me.. what the big picture...

I received an invitation to interview in HK this Morning, however kindly declined.. Hope this is useful to anyone expecting a response

Too much , when did you apply?

About 10 days ago Scott

Kestrel

Have you actually lived here for any REAL comparison of "cost of living" because it is WAY higher than Aberdeen.

Your £1100 bought you what as a property? Bet it was way more than half a shoe box. But keep the rose coloured glasses on you are the only one that knows anything about it as you are not a low hours ATPL holder flying for a great carrier in a country that has legal protection for its workers!:ugh::ugh:

Kestrel attitude to pay is exactly why this industry is in the mess it is. I'm just glad I'm about to retire, and I will leave it to all the young guns to destroy it completely.