A laughable report. I think the CAD were clutching at straws somewhat. Three previous events, and now ridiculous claims regarding EFB distractions and 'pilots not able to monitor taxying because they were not trained to taxi themselves', WTF.
AAIGUY
13th January 2012 19:10
Laughable indeed- I suppose they couldn't simple.
write 'they f'cked it up' could they?
Low experience in the right and back seat.
No one paying attention..
AQIS Boigu
13th January 2012 19:52
...and putting away EFB's
pill
13th January 2012 22:40
I've got contract envy
3 guys on 48 hours in the last 28 days and coming off two and a half days off in a decent city. Get the feeling cx guys work hard for the money.
Sqwak7700
14th January 2012 00:52
The ATC instruction to expedite taxi was issued with the intention for FIN070 to depart ahead of an incoming arrival flight on approach to RWY 07L, which was at that moment approximately 18 NM from touchdown. Although the instruction to expedite taxi might have instilled a sense of urgency amongst the pilots, this kind of instruction is not an uncommon ATC operational practice in handling ground traffic in any major international airport and should not have induced undue pressure on the pilots concerned.
Says a lot. 18nm and they were rounding the corner to line up. Do you really need to expedite?
What is this obsession with ATC to make you expedite. It should be banned, we don't tell them to hurry up when they are working. You don't tell your brain surgeon to hurry up, there is another surgery scheduled after this one.
When you rush, you forget stuff. Get over it, that is how humans work. Deal with it instead of trying to fight it. I'm sick of this "expedite" crap. I'm not saying this specifically caused the accident, because as a professional crew the pilots should know better than to allow a non-operator to dictate their job to them. But you still have to wonder why this practice is allowed and not wiped from the repertoire of ATC.
Imagine someone yelling at you while you approach a yellow light telling you to speed up and beat the red. You don't do that in a car, why would you do it in an airplane? :yuk: I don't like when ATC does it, but what really bothers me, is seeing a colleague get all flustered into actually hurrying. I operate at the same speed regardless of what they say. If I have to hold, so be it. That is what taxi fuel and contingency fuel is for. Use it or loose it. :O
Oval3Holer
14th January 2012 04:25
Sqwak,
Right on.
Oval
Fac6
14th January 2012 05:19
Squawk -Well said! :ok:
cxlineguy
14th January 2012 23:35
Swak7700 - 100% right.
What can we expect from HKG CAD? They grilled the crew of CX780 as to why they didn't calculate landing distance. Investigator was a failed CX Cadet.
jetset
15th January 2012 14:34
Would it be worth asking for expedited requests from ATC? :}
Dan Winterland
16th January 2012 02:13
I never expedite taxying. The aircraft is my responsibilty, it's my career and my licence.
