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404 Titan 29th May 2009 02:06

Glass Half Empty

For the record I am CX. Don’t judge the majority of CX crew by the very few that actually post here. Most of us don’t want to screw over our KA brothers.

A. Le Rhone

...so again, by your own logic you won't complain when Air China takes over Cathay and YOU go to the bottom of that list.
This is more appropriate.

...so again, by your own logic you won't complain if Air China takes over Cathay and YOU go to the bottom of that list.
You seem to think Air China’s taking over CX it is a fate a comply. It isn’t by a long shot. If anything was to happen in the long term it would probably be a complete merger. Remember for a takeover to occur there has to be a willing seller and I doubt Swire will want to relinquish control of CX and KA any time soon. To support my point just have a look at Swire’s profit and how much CX contributed to it in 2008.

Lowkoon 29th May 2009 03:17

It may be in AOAs interest to at least offer the Y. Offer KA the bottom, and you have an instant disgruntled group the management can use against you. "hey KA boys, want to fly the 380 for 10% less than the CX boys will do it for?" "Sure, they screwed us over on integration, why not... " Plenty of examples of this in aviation to discount it as a possibility. As stated earlier, look forward with the benefit of hindsight. The "what part of takeover dont you understand" vitriol is stale and pathetically short sighted.

And Then 29th May 2009 04:35

Better off separate from CX. Many good guys in CX but they are divided and some of their juniors have that legacy carrier arrogance that always ends in tears.

I would never expect to screw a CX driver out of a basing or a long haul command in any integration. However, like many in KA, we have achieved commands and wealth early so are in a good position to behave badly and look after ourselves in any of the groups future opportunities. That is, I can work for a lot less than the average CX driver in exchange for lifestyle.

Not that I think CX pilots will get any say in it. Don't cock it up though and create justification for a group of pilots to do commands, basings or new types for a lot less.

old rope 29th May 2009 09:55

It has yet to be explained to me why intergrating with CX is in any way beneficial for the average KA drivers long term employment. I will profess to being a bit of a "flat earther" though.

Cx has only half heartedly agreed to talks on the subject when they were desperate to get something from us (SLS), and the AOA publicly shows only token interest in the subject. Hardly furtile ground for the couple of DPA guys who have a vision on the subject. I respect them for perservering in the face of determined indifference though.

That only leaves forums like this where the subject quickly degeneates to that of the ambitious challenging the insecure


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