As Penske points out these ftr slots were available to all, and in any case should have been finished and done with a long time ago. Instead the successful applicants have been penalized by well over a year's wait due to DECs. If the rules change in the meanwhile it should be for future cmd allocations, not past ones!

That said, I fully agree that if actual scheduled AND assigned pax courses have been cancelled as opposed to delayed (PCAs don't count guys, the officers waiting for those frt slots applied, PCAd and have been categorized since early last year :ouch:), then I agree there is an issue.

Even then, the question should be, "since the frt guys are having their courses honoured, we want the pax ones honoured as well" as opposed to "if you're going to cancel the pax ones then we want to take the ones previously assigned to other officers instead"!

LostinAirspace's suggestion of alternating courses would seem more fair, even if it would further delay the frt guys.

IMHO!

At least there is some sugar for the FO's. From July, if my info is correct, about a 100 ex-pax Capts who extended on the freighter will start coming back onto the seniority list as the freighter contract ends and this will put the same number of FO's on BPP. No increments but still it is a decent payrise.:ok:

Sfgdog
 

Whilst acknowledging the "better late than never" argument. It is worth remembering that all the +55 year old Freighter Capts should have triggered BPP from 1 Jan 08, being the date the FACA ended. It is also worth noting that it will at least a year from the 1st July that all the extendees will be across on COS08.

That will give the company about 16 months to invent the next device to avoid paying BPP.... ho hum...

If you look at the composition of the 744 fleet it is obvious that upgrades aren't needed on the pax fleet because they are taken care of by cheap commands on the freighter fleet. As the 744 comes off pax and goes freighter there is a cheap captain on the freighter fleet ready to fly it. The 744 proper captain does a 777 course and everything is taken care of.

Anyone who took a freighter command and a 50% pay cut to jump seniority and to show the company just how little we are prepared to work for will also obviously have their time to pax command and pax pay delayed. :ok:

We should be thankful to all involved in negotiations that that avenue has closed.

So, does this mean that the DEFO program is extinct?

We sure hope so.......!

DESO program is extinct?
 

In the past I was told that the DESO's had to interview for a DEFO position as they were not on the pilot seniority list. The DESO was a stepping-stone to the right seat that you had to earn through another selection process. Seniority integration of SO's is fairly recent at Cathay.

It is always interesting to hear someone bark that the only way to "pay your dues" is to follow in my footsteps.

If we REALLY want to make all things fair at Cathay, maybe the cabin crew should have their seniority integrated with the pilots (CoS09), I bet there are some with more flight time than the SO's who keep complaining about the bad cards they have been dealt. :ugh:

let me guess...A scale captain? Near or retired? ok.