Captain TOGA,

a good point, borne out by the behaviour of the HKG stock market - driven by the hope/fears of the investors and traders. With an extremely hyped media, it only takes Stanley Ho to have a bad bowel movement reported in the newspapers to put the market into a flat-spin.

VC/Shep 69,

a 2 sided approach to encouraging concerns/action on the environment, but why does the state have to make the running? Is it because in mass society that individuals are so 'molly-coddled' that they need th state to tell them whats happening right in front of their eyes?

Some reading of Carl Gustav Jungs thoughts on the behaviour of an individual in todays mass society/state control and even under religious dogma might enlighten us to the reasons for individual behaviour today. And may also hold clues to the behaviour of investors and market traders as described by Captain TOGA.

Mass minded behaviour, that is manipulated by state/democratic/religious dogma, has very much eroded individual thinking/behaviour.

(CG Jung - The Undiscovered Self - interesting reading)

ACMS,

http://www.mirror.co.uk/
http://www.thesun.co.uk/
http://www.maximonline.com/
http://www.parishilton.com/

Regards,

N1 Vibes

In an effort to raise awareness about menstrual suppression and initiate dialogue among women’s health practitioners and scholars of the menstrual cycle, a panel was recently delivered on June 6th, 2003 at the 15th Biennial Meeting of the Society for Menstrual Cycle Research in Pittsburgh, PA. The panel consisted of three papers, addressing menstrual suppression from multiple perspectives.

Authors of the first paper, Christine Hitchcock and Jerilyn Prior, reviewed studies that have been published on extending the schedule of oral contraceptive pills in order to reduce the frequency of menstrual bleeding. They concluded that we do not yet have evidence to suggest that menstrual suppression is entirely safe and reversible. The second set of authors, Alex Hoyt and Linda Andrist presented results from a study of women’s attitudes toward menstrual suppression. They concluded that negative attitudes toward the menstrual cycle were a better predictor of women’s interest in menstrual suppression than women’s menstrual symptoms, suggesting the importance of psychosocial factors in women’s decision making about altering their menstruation. The third paper, by Ingrid Johnston-Robledo and Jessica Barnack, addressed popular media coverage of menstrual suppression. From their analysis of print media, they concluded that regular menstruation is presented as bothersome and even unhealthy. Advocates of menstrual suppression and its benefits were afforded more space than opponents and risks. As with many other health issues, women are not getting accurate, balanced information, rendering an informed decision about this health care option difficult if not impossible.

The notion that monthly menstruation is no longer considered a necessary, healthy process, particularly for women who experience endometriosis and severe PMS, was popularized after the publication of the book, Is Menstruation Obsolete by Elsimar Coutinho and Sheldon Segal in 1999. Women can essentially avoid or suppress frequent menstruation by taking a standard oral contraceptive continuously without the 7-day placebo pills. The typical recommendation is that women take this regimen of pills for three months and then experience a pill-free week such that they menstruate every three months. Another birth control pill, Seasonale, is specifically designed to suppress menstruation, although it is not yet approved by the FDA. Women using this oral contraceptive will be on a schedule of active pills for 84 days and then take placebo pills for 7 days. Menstrual suppression was originally recommended for women with disorders related to the menstrual cycle such as endometriosis, but is now being recommended to and practiced by women without such disorders.

Members of the Society for Menstrual Cycle Research have a range of opinions about this complicated and controversial issue. What we do
agree on, however, is that:

1) More research is needed before women can make informed decisions.
Women and health care providers need to know more about the reasons why people choose menstrual suppression, and the medical consequences of making that choice. We need psychosocial research looking at women's attitudes, concerns, preferences, and needs for information. We need well-designed, randomized, placebo-controlled trials of long-term oral contraceptive use for menstrual suppression, examining women’s experiences, bone health, and risks for blood clots and strokes. These studies should include women who are not taking any oral contraceptives, and not just compare women on different schedules of active pills. We also need studies to assess the recovery of fertility following discontinuation.

2) While we recognize that menstrual suppression may be a useful option for women with severe menstrual cycle problems such as endometriosis, we do not believe that continuous oral contraceptive use should be prescribed to all menstruating women out of a rejection of a normal, healthy menstrual cycle. We are particularly concerned about the potential effects of extended oral contraceptive use on adolescents, given their vulnerability during development and the absence of data regarding the safety of this practice for this age group.

Captain TOGA

where are you going with this line of discussion? The suppression of natural menstruation affecting judgement?

Jizzmonkey

why the sudden interest in supporting women. Your other thread here doesn't quite show you in the same 'supporting' light.

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...56#post3679456

OR - did you cut and paste the article from here:

http://womenshealth.about.com/od/gyn...s/a/gyn101.htm

Enlighten us gents.

Regards,

N1 Vibes

828..............your kidding me right?

Don't you think I have enough to read without going over these 1000 word mumbo jumbo replies.

Nope.............MAKE IT SHORT AND TO THE POINT.

ACMS

there is an affliction that comes very fast on the heels of greed, thats thinking about oneself all the time.

Sorry I had to use some words with more than one syllable, perhaps I'll find a picture next time. Maybe this fat, self-centred, statesman will help you visualise:

http://www.lifegoggles.com/wordpress...escott1_sm.jpg

Regards,

N1 Vibes

oh grow up mate.

It's a well known fact the more long passages you write in here the less people actually read it. They fall asleep after line 3.
Just like FCOM 1:ugh::{

I am trying to help you actually get people to READ the stuff.

Nice picture of the x British Deputy PM? right?

ACMS:

I honestly believe it's time for you to be take out and left on the ice. The Eskimos have known from the very begining that if you can't contribute then you are not needed. ( and stop that shouting, you are the only one doing it. )

828a.

shouting.................

I put FCOM in capitals,,,,,,,,,,,,so what

get a life 828.

Then shorten the passages

The reliability of short versus long passages in informal reading inventories was compared. After 132 pilots were tested with the Standard Reading Inventory, Form B, they read longer passages in either the oral or silent modes. Pilots with higher silent reading scores read long passages orally, while pilots with higher oral reading scores or comparable oral/silent reading scores read long passages in the silent mode. The results suggested that the 70% criterion normally used with short passages inadequately predicted reading levels for the longer selections. The increased difficulty of long passages was evident by the marked decreases in comprehension scores. Pilots with better comprehension scores in either the short-silent or short-oral modes appeared to be frustrated by the longer reading materials. The pilots with comparable oral/silent reading levels in the short passages showed significantly different scores on the long passages, suggesting that the increased difficulty of long passages inhibited their comprehension considerably. Since the long passages appeared to be more difficult than short passages at the same levels, it was suggested that the trend toward using more lenient interpretation criteria in informal reading inventories might be based on false assumptions.

thankyou...............

How many were Australian....? :ouch:

CaptainTOGA,

could you clarify the point you were making in the post refernce women and the contraceptive pill? Thanks.

ACMS,

In the case of the FCOM, your life/others lives depend on it.

In the case of this thread - you are either interested enough to read the long passages or you are not.

Your choice.

Regards,

N1 Vibes

PS - Yes you are correct, that was a picture of "Two Jag's" Prescott. The man famous for freight-training the UK's M4 motorway red-route. He was trying to improve the environment - but forgot the fact that as Minister for Transport, before the deputy leader position, he had 2 x 4 litre jags to haul his fat @ss and his paperwork around, and the secretary that he banged over his parliamentary desk, lucky girl!

I'm sure what you wrote was correct and totally factual. However an old Airforce boss of mine once said KISS. keep it simple stupid.

Straight and to the point is much better than a 2000 word essay that will put me to sleep half way through. I'm not a lawyer.

Anyway enough said.....................

ACMS

so I see you have moved to pastures green(d). Judging by your reply to EK giving a 25% payrise thread, you very much are in the game of life for yourself.

Hopefully this thread may return to the original discussion of Defining Greed.

Regards

N1 Vibes

Ah yes Kitsune, the antipodeans are such a motley swill.
A dose of the Mother Country's culture would add meaning to their miserable existence's. Why not export a dose of good old fashion English soccer hooliganism, or perhaps some of their so called political elite could use the advice of the up and comming neo nazi movement. And where is a southern hemispherical version of Le Penn when the downtrodden need a good kicking?

Thank your lucky stars the travelling public have no idea of the moronic attitudes that inhabit foward of the flight deck door. Electronic locks serve two purposes!

Apologies to you Vibes - but this could not go unanswered.

Behavioural Greed
 

In spite of himself there exists a certain type of expatriate who never adjusts to life in Hong Kong. He imagines physical discomforts when all he is suffering from is the mental vexation of having to think along new and unaccustomed lines and he is forever counting the days until his leave is due and he will be able to go back home. Even though he is an adult he suffers the delusions of a homesick child. The food at home was better, the people at home were superior, it was more comfortable at home, there were greater opportunities and the streets were wider and cleaner. He often thinks of trying to find employment elsewhere. His delusions are very real.
However with each home leave his point of view changes. The visits home are seldom as pleasurable as anticipated. Old friends have interests that are no longer his and conversations are soon exhausted. Relatives die or get married and he is shocked to discover that he has more friends in Hong Kong than he has at home. However his delusions remain.
If he buys or builds a home in his native land he is more likely to give it a Chinese name even though he spent most of his life expressing contempt for everything Chinese. Retired he meets with other expatriates at irregular intervals supposedly to hear some speaker discourse on matters Eastern but he only really attends to meet others of his ilk and to talk about things only the old Hong Kong hand understands.
He has been blessed with memories, knowledge and worth which he did not morally deserve but he accepts them as his right. A right that is nothing more than the embodiment of behavioural greed.

828a

Game of life for myself?
What are you smoking my mis-guided friend?

I want US ALL to get a payrise, if EK get one then maybe we might too:)

You must be questioning my loyalty to my fellow Pilot's, are you?


I, more than a lot, have stood shoulder to shoulder with my fellow airmen during some very testing times in 25 years and I'm still here.


An AOA member for 15 years and AFAP before that for 10.

YOU?

828a

a very interesting view of the psychological development of the expat. Developing one's own thoughts and memories in their new location, to leave other thoughts and memories of ones original existence in the distant past. Almost as if one invents a new life in their new location. Isn't that why many people move to a new location, for a 'new life'?

Captain TOGA

the communist model of central/shared ownership was previously and today for a lot of people, the perfect model of an equal and peaceful society. But, unfortunately the behaviour of certain individuals in the state system cannot resist the 'power of position', either abusing people or embezzling accounts etc. As always state legislation is very much biased to benefit the state, not the individual.

ACMS

you have just revealed what was becoming quite clear. You are a member of a union that 'represent's' X thousand pilots, in a company of Y thousand people. Your loyalty to the X thousand strong pilots union is not in question, what would have shown your humanist side a lot better, was if you as an individual were looking for an equal payrise for the whole company - the Y thousand people, not just your own group.

I refer you back to my post regarding individuals in mass society/organisations and how ones behaviour can be 'restricted' by dogma. You can read more here:

http://andrewblackman.wordpress.com/...-by-carl-jung/

Regards,

N1 Vibes

PS - your membership of a union for 25 years, what was that meant to demonstrate? I have been a 'member' of the human race all my life, I don't have to pay money, vote in elections or carry a card to show my loyalty. An organised group is very much a small part of a far bigger picture - the human race.

I feel much happier as an individual in the human race, which isn't based on dogma but on nature, than I would in a much smaller group based on brotherhood/fear/dogma. Note - the group could also be a religion, state, the rufty-tufty safety club - anything.

You only have to look at the PPrune forums to see how people in 'organised groups' behave towards people 'not in the organised group', it is used almost as a threat. Going back to the school playground - my gang's bigger than your gang/you're not in my gang - therefore that persons view is not validated by X thousand people or should that person have a view against the dogma - X thousand people will be against them.

Just accept that individual people are entitled to their view, rather than bringing out a "you're not one of us mentality" - you are an individual right?

Behavioural Greed or Reality
 

828a,

If Hong Kong is such a great place then why doesn't anyone actually retire here??? Why are the bases in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, North America completely full???? Is everyone being delusional or is it because Hong Kong will never be home! This is a fact of life for the majority of expatriates and has nothing to do with behavioural greed.

Agreeably Hong Kong is a great place for a newcomer, the city is vibrant, full of enerygy and a night life second to none. However Hong Kong can and does become rather routine and mundane. After several years here you quickly realize that it lacks substance, with the worsening air pollution not helping matters.

In the opinion of many, yes to all of the above!

If that has been your experience doesn't mean it applies to everyone else. I've been on four temp basings to date and each has been more pleasurable than the previous.

WTF???

I suspect that you feel special because you have taken a keen fondness to Hong Kong, if that is the case all the more power to you, but don't criticize others for not adjusting to Hong Kong. Home is where the heart is!