to volarecantare
Where is all that in my post? Life is just too short and these are such negative emotions. Perhaps you are reading too much into my post, or is your knee-jerk reaction a result of a guilty conscience?
'Witch-hunt attitude'? Are you sure that you are reading my post? I standby my original statement that IW's actions were those of a cowboy, exhibiting an outrageous display of ego and blatant risk taking. He received just punishment for his actions. No more, no less.
I don't for one minute advocate victims seeking revenge for past actions or misdeeds. In this case I merely state that often, over the course of time, karma catches up with the wrong-doers for us.
I agree that 'the war like environment' is getting our pilot community nowhere. But surely this infighting is exactly what CX planned when they set us off down this path so many years ago.....they are the only ones benefiting from this situation. But how can we move on when so many of us seem to have hidden (self-serving) agendas? We desperately need to move forward, but as to how that can happen.......I just don't know. What do you see as the way out of all this?
At the risk of splitting hairs....'lad' is not interchangeable with 'mate'. Lad can only ever be masculine. Mate is defined as companion or fellow worker.;)

Imagine being married to that! Lot was really punished........

Both Lot's wife and Volarecantare come on here preaching the "unity" message like they were the first to think of it:rolleyes:

Yet they come to blows and allow the debate to be sidetracked by the simple use of the word "lads". This seems to be a trend now on FH; posters are shying away from the real issue at debate and searching posts for phrases that they can misinterpet, spin and amplify. If you want to get into a stouch; fine... get your tin hat on and allow us all to play. But please, don't retort with the "pilot unity" card.... it's a cheap shot...

Therefore in spirit of street fighting (which I sense you both really want)

Lots' wife;- harden up girl. You are way out of step with every other female pilot out there. To succeed, female pilots are goal orientated and would never allow a debate to go down the PC "chairperson" road. To play the "girlie card" is of the junior playground.... move on..

Volcantaire... stupid name by the way... you are new here, or certainly to the ways of CX; Lot's wife was clearly making the point re IW; "you live by the sword; you die by the sword." Why rant off about revenge, bitterness and hatred... all emotive stuff... Senior CX management don't make decisions on emotion; they look at risk and return..... They dish it out; and they expect it in return....

Any member of the Star chamber going the way of I.W - good on ya mate! You only get what you deserve. F... all. Have fun out there. Thanks for everything. Cheers.:ok:

Point taken Liam, but as regards my name (check the spelling)....I find it sad that the younger generation of pilots are unfamiliar with the likes of Dean Martins classic song Volare (meaning to fly)....we can swap lyrics if you like?
You can teach me the "don't look back in anger" bit from your own namesake! Im sure Lot's wife has a bit to say about the effects looking back? ;)
enjoy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtKrXbGEAd4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuOOf...eature=related

Cathay could learn a few things about PR from Lufthansa regarding the crosswind cock-up.

Volarecantare
 

I don't think you do get the point.

If you did, you would have, firstly, noticed I spelt your name correctly in the first line of my post and incorrectly in the latter as a urine extraction and, secondly, I am inviting you to rise above the petty and frivolous (like spelling, the throw away phrases etc) and focus on the issues: the invitation appears to been ignored:ugh:

Come on "professionals" get on with core of this thread and remain focus and if not lets move on and learn from here!! :bored:

Backspace and Betaboy, I take your points as valid.

What concerns me on this one is that my information source stated that Corporate Safety "instigated" the proceedings. It has been the case in the past that they were directed to act in cases of safety, either by the board or by the Director of Flight Operations.

As they build their empire and become more remote from the pilot workforce they become evermore part of the management structure and beholden to it. Their managers hope to progress in CX. Therefore pilots lose trust in their impartiality, and the results of many of their investigations are treated as spin.

We shall see what their report recommends, but I feel sure that it will not be complimentary to the pilot workforce in general. I believe that this incident will be used by non pilot management to further degrade the status of pilots and flight operations in general. It would be a lost opportunity to them if they did not.

Good comparison Warlock. It shows that CX corporate safety attitude is about 10-15 ft higher than Air Zim. (Just dont tell CSD or the shareholders!!)

How dare you ivory robbers compare CX to the likes from Harare!

Whats the danger??
 

Warlock,
Hmmmmmmmm lets see, tail 20 or so feet off the deck. How about a birdstrike on the left windscreen, followed by a quick flinch on the yoke and...we would be talking about a differant type of incident. It looked great, but it was dumb.

Didn't your mother teach you that just because "everyone else" is doing something doesn't make it right.;)

Better not cross the street today, you may get hit by a car....:ugh:

It's was fly by.. . Get over it.

cxflyer, Don't be ridiculous mate, an equally competent pilot was sitting in the right hand seat (deputy chief 777 pilot) and why would it be followed by a "quick flinch of the yoke"?:ugh:

Great, here we go, another 20 pages.

fly-by
 

surely ...? If you perform a fly-by at 500 feet you are showing off the aircraft but if you perform it at 30 feet, you are simply showing off?

Fly by's
 

An old base commander of mine had the following to say about flyby's;

"The aircraft that you fly are extremely impressive without having to do anything outside of normal operations." This was after a friend of mine had killed himself having got disoriented in cloud after some wacky pull-up manoeuver.

In another example I remember 3 young canadian F-18 drivers who got airborne from an overseas base & we thought they would wire the place.In fact they did a relatively high & slow flypast in vic formation.It looked great & they got a lot of kudos for their airmanship & discipline.

Ego is a killer,both career-wise & little-pink-body-wise.

Well...he showed and now he is off!:}

Gosh. Tough, remarks the fellow gets along the path. May he soon realize that the the world outside - the CX defined "world" that is - is bright and with a clear blue sky.

Nothing wrong with a flyby - if you and the crew agree to it. (and you got the required permissions of course!)

Doing a lowpass flyby at 28' in a heavy jet pax transport airplane WITH 50+ passangers onboard is just not a smart move - pure and simple.

Enough
 

last time I checked, this horse was dead.