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ct976 21st December 2007 00:48

Longhaul Crew on board question
 
there are 4 crew on board for a long haul CX flight according to the website on the 744, 346 or 343

what is the crew? how many operate at a time?

leftseat: Captain
rightseat: First Officer
backseat: Second Officer
4th: ????

or is it just a rotation like:
during critical phases,
left seat: Captain
right seat: Senior F/O

during cruise phase,
left seat: F/O
right seat: S/O

Mr. Bloggs 21st December 2007 00:56

The 4th is a dog.:ok:

Harbour Dweller 21st December 2007 01:01

To use your wording:

Critical Phases:

LH Seat: Captain
RH Seat: First Officer
1st Observers: Relief Commander
2nd Observers: Second Officer

During Cruise Phase:

Can be a different mix but most common is

LH Seat: Captain
RH Seat: First Officer

Relief Commander & Second Officer resting.... then

LH Seat: Second Officer
RH Seat: Relief Commander

Rabesh Binny 21st December 2007 03:37

If you are flying with guys like MFL(744) or PH(Airbus) then you get treated worse than a dog.
BTW did you know that when MFL was in the Air Force he was so useless that they wouldn't let him on the tactical C-130 squadron.Transport C-130's only for one of the great bullies (& incompetent pilots) of our time.

bobrun 21st December 2007 14:00

4 crews on long haul.....for now! CX is working hard to save money by having only 3 pilots up front...

Arfur Dent 21st December 2007 19:02

3 man crew
 
Almost certainly going to 3 crew ULH - this from a CAD FOPS Inspector (RW). Not only will this save CX money, it will enable the Fleet expansions to go ahead. Regulatory authority?? Don't think so.:=

bobrun 22nd December 2007 01:22

A 4 man long haul can be so exhausting, I can't imagine being in an operating seat after a 15+hrs 3 man long haul. Where do they get the stats and data to come up with the conclusion it`s reasonable to do?

rsb 22nd December 2007 06:58

4, 3 or 2 pilots
 
It surprises me that it takes 4 pilots to aviate a 744 passenger aircraft to HKG form LHR for an 11 hr flight. Yet, it only takes 2 pilots to fly the same companys aircraft, be it a freighter 744, on a 2 sector LHR-CDG-DEL 13 Hr duty! Oh and for 20% less pay.

Harbour Dweller 22nd December 2007 12:03


It surprises me that it takes 4 pilots to aviate a 744 passenger aircraft to HKG form LHR for an 11 hr flight. Yet, it only takes 2 pilots to fly the same companys aircraft, be it a freighter 744, on a 2 sector LHR-CDG-DEL 13 Hr duty! Oh and for 20% less pay.
You get what you sign for when you take the job.

I personally believe we should all be on the same conditions & salary.

I don't however feel sorry for a bloke who accepted current Freighter conditions & then complains afterwards.

rsb 23rd December 2007 10:15

No Complaints From Me
 
That was an observation I made Harbour Dweller. You are correct in that I knew exactly what I was getting in to when signing on the line. I certainly wouldn't want anyone feeling sorry for me as I love the job, especially as I get to fly with a great bunch of people who enjoy the job and get on with it without so much as a grumble. Maybe you should try it, we promise we wont bite.


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