BlunderBus

What are you doing? Now is a time for unity between all in the pilot group... including freighter blokes!

Together we stand.... divided we fall.

Reading all this drivel, no wonder CX divide and conquer!

looks like handbags at dawn again..........................and CX will be the winners....................you have a vote, and the only vote they will take notice of is if you walk out the door.................

HAPPY ENDING Re your earlier dimwit comment...

Normally I can see sarcasm from far off - but am not so sure of your comment since you only been here from April 07???

Please tell me you are joking.

Obviously we will be given a pay INcrease. Even management knows that the boat is rocking a bit, and they do pay attention to the fact that a lot of NAM pilots are walking off to greener pastures and even the odd S/O is leaving for other options arising in their old backyard.
What is also obvious from the AoA updates is that nothing comes from nothing. We will pay for the expected pay INcrease by means of supplying the company with the required "here and now" requirement for pilots to man the new ships. For a lot of guys that will mean extra time to upgrade, possibly like some of you have mentioned 3-4 years. But please pay attention to the fact that 3-4 year of extra time to command can quickly turn into 3-10 years if the !!!! ones again hits the fan. Those of you who do not get command within the next few years will also be the ones to suffer should another sars, birdflue or Asian crises arises, you will simply be cut off.

The company will man those shiny jets - whatever it takes - whatever means they will have to use. Accept it.

You call 5% a pay increase???

ok lets get real..................increase in hours from 84 to 94 a month is worth 20% for starters.........................

5 years with no pay increase at 3% year is worth 15%

3 man crew to europe...................name your figure

age 65 retirement........................who knows?? too many varying viewpoints if your over 45 it rocks, if your under it sucks

so between 35 1nd 50% pay increase should stop sll those resignation letters that are written from hitting the desks on 3rd floor.............

Signed: Hans Christian Sizematters
(Purveyor of fine fairy tales)

No doubt about it, you will sign!

Mr Bushcat said
"Of course voting NO is an obvious way of showing your disgust at your future being sold down the toilet for a bunch that have had it good for so many years already, at the expense of US, the junior officers"

Buddy if you are going to sling mud expect some back your way. I am not sure why you are slagging off at A scalers in fact there is another alternative school of thought that has been around for years..... that you junior crew came in, accepted low pay and undermined A scalers and your own careers dramatically. The Freighter crew came in and undermined the B scalers,the DEFOs are undermining the current S/O's rah rah rah blah blah. If you are going to be duped it is will come from CX management not your collegues.

NR must be rubbing his hands with glee, he has got all his pilots in fighting.

I do agree that as many people as possible should join the AOA and have a vote on the proposal, if it is not a reasonable proposal those 100 awful A scalers are hardly going to railroad it thru. I think it is a bit premature to start accusing any one of selling anybody down the toilet without any official proposal in hand.

More like 350 A Scalers

I must have missed something in'99:ok:

Slowly gents
 

Here is an idea : Let's stop throwing mud at each other. Let's face it - we all made decisions along the way thinking that they were the best for us and our families.

Rather, let's channel our frustration and energy in the right direction. The company is the "bad guy" in this story. If the package is no good we say no. OK, maybe we get a sign it or leave deal but somehow I don't think so. The company needs pilots, lots of pilots. It won't be too keen to push more bodies away by being militant.

I hope that the blokes who can leave and said they will, will go if the deal is crap. That is the only language that is understood in this part of the world.

A scale, B scale, DEFO, Freighter, etc, for once lets remember that we are actually on the same team - like it or not.

W2

whodunnit is right, unity is the only way to achieve anything here.

whodunnit2..

Yes, lets hope that the bunch of the guys who have not already left, but have said they would, will leave. Vote with the feet or whatever its called. Sure they might take a bit of a paycut (money money) - but there is so much more to life than money. The sooner you join a company that actually knows how an airline company is supposed to be run and operated in its aspects (and NOT only in making profit), the sooner you will grow your seniority and have fun at the same time, at tha new airline.
You can actually have fun flying - remember :ok:

Happy operating. :D

Just found out yesterday two mate are leaving real soon. One took a base late last year and is off to Royal Brunei and the other after just completing his -400 command and taking a London Base is off to Oasis.:ok:

Titan, what does your mate know that I don't? Why would anyone go to Oasis as an FO after just getting his command? I'm intrigued as to the reason.

I have a mate in Dragonair who has just done the same. He is a training captain and has handed in his notice to go to Oasis as a FO.

Reasons,

Had enough of HK.
Boring routes.
!!!!e company.

Fair play, that's what I say.:D

Yes, I know Oasis doesn't have much of a route network but I guess they are up and coming, plus maybe bases in the future.

Ah the join as an FO and become a captain next day trick, especially holding a training ticket. Opportunities are there if you have the gonads and believe the promises!