Lets get them on the same fleet, roster them together and force them to share accommodation down route! And whilst we are at it, they could share laundry allowance as well. Could up load less bedding for the bunk too, its all win win for the company, they should be encouraging it not punishing?

Five Green said 'They are both collecting what every other pilot gets.'

The four hundred Locally Employed Pilots at Cathay Pacific Airways on a Hong Kong Base receive $0 Housing Allowance.

So what you said is not true.

The Locally Employed pilots do exactly the same job as the Expat Pliots, so they are working to pay the Housing Allowance of Expat Pilots.

To complain about paying tax on housing, or not being able to fiddle the system when the rules are clear is a bit rich if you ask me.:ugh:

Not true. On reaching CN rank, all LEP's receive a housing allowance (as senior managers in the comapany, everyone, irrespective of CoS, receives this allowance.)

Not true.

This is not a Housing Allowance, but a Special Allowance.

And it is only 24k, less than a year 3 S/O receives.:=

The Local Pilots don't get a housing allowance because....................................................t hey are local Pilots
I don't get a housing allowance on a base either. Nor do I get travel allowance( and a lot of HKG expats don't get that either ), 13th month, Priority 4 FOC's etc etc. Because I'm not an expat living in HKG.
Not really a hard thing to come to grips with.
The Local Captains get 24,000 month, which is extra money on top of their salary, call it what ever you like.
what????????????

Pot stiring
 

Col.:

You are right to be upset but do not take it out on fellow pilots. Put the blame where it belongs....on the company.

Also do not try and justify one wrong by holding up another.

FG

I remember reading a newsletter Nigel put out called Remuneration and Benefits back in 2000/1. Basically there wasnt a pilot in the company that isn't hard done by. There is nothing to be gained from attacking each other.

What I find annoying about this housing issue is that they were a de facto couple..I believe they had kid/s? Yet try getting benefits for a de facto spouse with CX...CANNOT! So how is it rorting the system if two unmarried individuals live together and collect 2 lots of allowances. Maybe we should ban pilots getting involved with other pilots...or anyone else in HKG that gets any sort of housing benefit...or travel benefit...or medical benefits.

Now if they were truly renting out the 2nd place...well, that was stupid. I hope they weren't...both good people and would be a shame for them to have to leave becuase of of managements arbitrary interpretation of rules!

They were definately not renting out a place that CX was funding, that has not even been suggested by management.

He was renting ( ie not making a cent ) and she had a mortgage on another place which whilst pregnant was staying with him

Question - How many of you have stayed with mates ect whilst having your new pad reno'd- thats what they were both fired for

I can see this can be a nice topic of discussion for the next flight forum.
Watch those sparks fly!!!

You might also be interested to know she was fired on her FIRST day back at work after maternity leave!!!! interesting hey

That is their “Right to Manage”. One day this interpretation, next day that interpretation. Just depends on how it works for them on the day.

Unfortunately, the two pilots are been made examples.

Just demonstrates that Cathay Pacific Airways preferred method of discipline is “Termination”. Termination is justified from “throwing peanuts” to “working to rule”.

Why do we have Discipline and Grievance procedure? It is rarely used. Was it used in this case?

Just a reminder, giving up a job in your home country for Cathay Pacific Airways can end at any moment.

Another very nasty chapter unfortunately and tragic for the young family, I wish them all the best and hope they will be able to sort out the mess.

A nightmare for the individuals, but also very bad for the company reputation. The disgusting behaviour displayed by the managers involved is in total contradiction to the companies stated aspiration to be “the most admired airline in the world” and just serves to continually let down and disillusion its workforce, not exactly what you’d want to be exposed to for a lifelong career. Wonder if it will EVER change. :yuk:

Point above well made, that’s why Cathay pays above industry average.
(It is what you call a health, career and morale risk premium)

Word around Flight Ops is a certain GM is ducking for cover over this one!!

Industry Standard
 

Are we really paying that much above industry standard anymore ?

FG

CX salary is a good industry average, and somewhat better than what I earn now, but I guess there are other considerations not so easily quantifiable…

I now have considerably less cost than I had in Hong Kong.
I fly more, i.e. landings per DAY than the average CX pilot gets in a whole month.
I fly the airplane I actually enjoy flying on an everyday basis.
I fly daytime only on a stable roster and I am home most nights which means I feel good in my free time.
I am secure from being subjected to arbitrary bullying by my employer and I no longer have to tolerate this happening to my friends and peers.
I actually like and respect my managers, as they lead and motivate by example.
I enjoy turning up for work, being myself and having a good day with my colleagues.
I feel although my airline has its own acute problems that I am a valued part of a more holistic organisation which fosters rather than represses team spirit, a big problem for me in Hong Kong.

All non monetary rewards and perhaps non-essential to some out for a widebody job and a big paycheck, but part of my personal equation.

To the little family who will struggle this Christmas I sincerely hope that they will cope with what lies ahead and move on to a more secure future. To the managers responsible, although highly unlikely, I hope that they will be held accountable.:=

@CruisingSpeed,

do you mind telling for who you are flying now? Maybe PM me if you don´t feel like putting it here.

Thanks

Wombat, I'm not sure you know what you are talking about? I was A scale and bought my own property that CX paid for three times over in rent allowance. I wasn't cheating, not like some of the guys who came to a sticky end by claiming the maximum rent allowance and living rent free by shacking up with a "friend".

What I am talking about is very specific, and clearly contrary to the intent of the allowance.

I am talking about Captains who utilize the "Rental Allowance" for Captains scheme which is currently AAK for a mortgage vice utilizing the "Owner Occupier" scheme which only BBK a month. They do this by "leasing" from an entity they legidly have no connection to.

But you know what, I am going to remove myself from this conversation. The stakes are too high. It's easy to throw mud about two lowly Fo's, but an entirely different thing to question the senior folks within the company.

Good afternoon.