To Cathay Pilots
 

To all Cathay Pilots,

Your own in house forum is being beta tested at present. It will be ready for your use very soon. You will be notified by email when the site is ready for traffic.

It is requested that you be patient during this time.

It is also respectfully requested that you desist from becoming emotionally involved in topics on this forum for very obvious reasons.

Regards,

ISC

thanks for the info mate and pls do let us know when it's ready . also remeber to drop an e-mail informing us ..

regards ,
a330 :)

Gentlemen:

Obviously the management is under pressure. They are on fishing expeditions to see if they can catch any information that they can use. They will resort to every dirty, lowdown trick in the book. Expect It!

Also, the press is hungry. This is probably the biggest story in Hong Kong since the Asian Financial Crisis and the 1.5 million Mainland Chinese looking for the "Right to Abode".

I am sure the Union's website will be up and running soon. The boys are a bit busy. We can all help, by volunteering to help the Union with such tasks. So call the Union.

In the meantime, try is refrain from using this site. We are united now, so they will be looking for ways to get that sword between us.
Let's play it smart.

Regards
Bengi 25

ha, ha, a330.

Methinks a CX ID number may be required for the new forum.

Maybe then we can get some peace from you!

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- in motion

Wonder if the "local guys" will be invited to join, as they were excluded from CX for so many years.

411A, That really is a contemptible commemt. The 'Local' guys as you so insultingly call them have been members of the AOA (and committee members) since they joined. I've tried to treat you with a certain amount of courtesy but its obviously wasted. Just tell us the name of your airline , if you dare, so that we all (from all the pilot groups you've insulted), can see what the worlds greatest pilot and manager has achieved!!

BusyB---
"Contemptable comment" you say? Well, I have known CX guys from more than twenty years ago and they considered CX to be ONLY for the privileged few.. May not be so now, but sure has been for a very long time, and in the past. If not so now, well it's about time.
Have to say tho that your management is incredibly shortsighted. It would seem that your rostering problems could be fixed with minimal effort. 'Tis a shame that that they are so confrontational, but I guess that's the name of the game these days.
I certainly hope to avoid these problems with our own small organisation.
IF your group plays its cards right, you just might prevail.

[This message has been edited by 411A (edited 22 June 2001).]

Doesn't make any difference to the standard of your comment, you're really plumbing the depths now 411A. If you're so great what have you got to hide? I think you've shown your true colours now and its not a pretty sight. Your comments on every forum have shown not just your inflated ego, but a supreme lack of interest in facts and truths. I feel really sorry for your staff, its no wonder you won't tell us who you work for. I'm afraid SOG really does cover you to a T.

Actually BusyB, I probably "know the facts" much better than you could imagine. I have been in the airline industry a very long time. As for Cathay, well it's probably better if you did have you own forum, that way the dirty laundry would not be for all to see.
Folks who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

411A: I think an apology is probably well in order - that was really off the mark. I doubt whether you know any of the Asian pilots in CX - I do - and I think they would agree you're off base here.

You flew for SV; now that was an epitomy of smooth flight, wasn't it? No problems there, eh? Now you fly for some wannabe outfit in the desert; I can't help thinking your continual jabs at other carriers is motivated by a good bit of jealousy at the career stability you never had. The CX pilots are trying to get the ship back in level flight - you can't seem to appreciate that.

Even if you represent management, your above comments were so out of place that I doubt anyone in CX management would agree with you.

Come on guys, just ignore this loser. Won't be long now.

RRAAMJET--
Apology, from me? Think not. I will give you an example of the kind of pilots/management
you have had in the past. Distant past, but still the past.
A certain British Captain (and fleet manager) upon his retirement from CX, joined SQ as a B707 Line Captain. He signed a two year contract, same as the rest of us. I ran into him in dispatch one day and he mentioned that if this was Cathay, there would not be any local guys in the right seat because...."they are not worth a damn". I then asked him if any local guys had ever been considered for a pilot position with CX, and his answer was ..."positivly not".
Remember, this was 1979, so the attitudes at CX may well have changed.
This particular Captain was so disliked by the local F/O's on the 707 fleet, that many called in sick when rostered with him.
If I mentioned his name (and I will not because it is not permitted on the forum) you would know of him instantly, provided you have been with CX for quite some time.
If the prospects for the local guys at CX have changed, good. 'Tis a shame it was not done a long time ago. If it had been, you may well have a lot more support for your planned industrial action.
BusyB--
As our company is still under formation, any details would be premature. However, we intend to treat our flightdeck personnel with the highest of respect and pay them quite well. I have learned long ago that to do otherwise is foolhardy indeed.

You poor, poor little man. Anyone can find SOMEONE to support their narrow-minded ideas if they just search hard enough and are conveniently selective. Your pompous little "proof" of some attitude at CX is supported by: a.an unverified account of an un-named individual b. from over 20 years ago c. that is one individual amongst hundreds if not thousands.

Gee, seems pretty conclusive to me! Wake up and join the year 2001. You're an embarassing anachronism.

Surely CX management will be able to get a copy of some'ID' and will therefore have acess to the forum!

So, it is a waste of time as far as I can see now. What you really need is an Internet site where actual pilots are given the password by post or something unrelated to CX. That way you can guarantee privacy unless someone lets slip as it were.

Well then PeterZee, I have one little question. Exactly how many local pilots were employed by Cathay Pacific Airways in say 1979? 'Tis a fair question, considering that CX had been in existance for a long time. Other long time CX crew (now retired)have told me many times; exactly ZERO.
On the other hand, at SIA, quite a few. In fact, a rather large number.
Of course you do not owe me an explanation, but I find where folks are so defensive, where there's smoke, fire cannot be far behind.

IGNORE. Do NOT waste your time with this retard.

411A,
You are a little man! I think you would be more suited to the Wannabes forum. GC

411,
Currently, about 10% of Cathay’s pilot force are local employees. Do you know how many applications from SUITABLY QUALIFIED local applicants CX receives? Me neither, but I bet it is a lot less than 10%. So why is it that CX employs a DIS-PROPORTIONALLY LARGE number of local pilots?

please refer

http://www.thebird.org/assholes/

jtr---
And SIA has about 70% local guys. Clearly, the training and advancement of these pilots in SIA was a priority. Apparently not so in Cathay. Some of course would say..."because there were no suitable applicants", or...."we must maintain our standards"...and the list goes on. Like I said before, IF you had more local guys as pilots, your planned action undoubtedly would have more local support. As it is now, the planned action will only label the pilots as greedy, self-centered interloping individuals.
And for this, you can blame you past management. They did you NO favors.

Singapore has an airforce, HK does not. Singapore airlines has significant government investment, Cathay Pacific does not. Cathay is 100% answerable to it's shareholders, Singapore airlines is less so!

Chalk and cheese.

SOG.

Gentlemen:

You are getting hooked! The website will be up soon. Be patient.

There is a wedge being put between the Local and Expat Pilots. Don't let it happen.

The Company and Press will try to use this angle against us.

Let's play it smart. I know we are smarter than this.

Regards
Bengi 25

Thrust---
You are certainly correct about one thing, CX is answerable to its shareholders. I guess all will find out soon enough which party will prevail. Should be interesting reading.

It has been AOA policy to remove the current discriminatory practices for several years - at least since 1993. The AOA is fully supported by the locally employed pilots, as evidenced by the overwhelming number that are current members.

I suppose we should be thankful that 22 years ago 411A didn't meant a screaming limp-wristed gay stereotype from CX. Otherwise we would now be hearing from him that all of us at CX must be the same. Do you really care? Ignore the SOG.

SPI: your first para is absolutely correct, based on my experience of being a (former) AOA member (now fly elsewhere).

411A$$hole: you do no credit whatsoever to pilots/management at CX, and insult both sides. Neither would agree with you. 20 years ago has completely changed over the last 10 years.

Sorry, chaps, no longer biting. I'm just as fed up with his stray rounds aimed at my airline ( whom he also hasn't flown for = clueless ).

Best of luck, Nige.....

411A, you have point. I don't know how many Asian pilots in AOA but they are probably the silent minority. If they are allow to choose what action, they will most likely choose no action. Please show the voting figure if anyone disagree, how much vote from Asian pilots and what do they vote for. It won't be available of course.

How long it take to make captain in BA, QF, SIA for non ex-military company sponsored cadet? 8-9 years is the average. How many Asian pilot in CX has made captain? - none! You don't have to look far, look at the other HK airline. They have far shorter history but they have already make a few Asian pilot-captain. Unless the reason is because all the bright guy join the better company. Or CX only take those below standard. hee hee.

Sorry bengi25, Im NOT a CX driver so I would like to make an observation on sitowa2001's obvious (poor) attempt to make his posting appear to be one from one of your national pilots. His spelling and grammar are incredibly precise, which, along with a couple of non-Asian turns of phrases gives every indication that he is a stooge, trying to do exactly what you indicated.

...and to 411A - the impression that YOU have given of yourself doesn't leave any room to hold former CX pilots up for denigration. Remember, your "Glory Years" of Cathay were at the time when the Company worked WITH the pilots' association for everyone's mutual benefit, which is ALL that the guys today are trying to achieve!!

Kaptin M

I am sorry that your observation is - WRONG. That proves the point that we are not idiot and we can achieve what the non-Asian can. hee hee

Kaptin M---
And, wrong again. I have never worked for CX.
But, have known a lot who have, and their attitudes towards the locals are, almost without exception, negative.
I did work for SQ, and their operations were completely different.
The guys at Cathay have a lot to learn.

RTFQ 411A - I was quoting YOUR well-worn "Glory Days" phrase, although I must admit that your vitriolic postings AGAINST the CX pilots indicate a deeply entrenched envy of what you probably tried to achieve, but was unable to (ie. join CX). I too, am ex-SQ, and like you had our CA's NEGOTIATED between ALPA-S and SQ - not rammed down our throats like this current CX management (and their "consultants") are attempting to do AGAIN.

Until a few years ago, the Cathay pilots I knew were PROUD to be what was undisputedly Asia's Premium Airline carrier - it was head and shoulders above the nearest rival. Today, because of management stupidity and aggression towards their staff, Cathay's image has been marred - not YET irreparably, I don't think - however, no end of money spent on television and magazine advertising by CX, and hundreds of millions on the new Hong Kong airport, can keep up with - let alone outdo - the adverse publicity portrayed by their highest qualified, frontline staff - Catahy Pacific's Flight crews.

There are much more worthwhile conversations happening on the new AOA forum. It's anonymous don't worry!!

We'll soon figure out who's really a cx pilot or just here trying to stir the pot!!

Gus,

am applied for Cx,and I come from one
of the ASEAN countries,I did my final
even I did NOT make it,but I still put
my respect to the Company,cause they
have their own policy that I couldn't
change it.I can't related to the color
of mine or what ever you wanna say,but Professionally I've to accepted..like
it or not...that's the game.
Every one has their rights to say...

on the glide,

I'm sorry that your application with CX didn't work out. But perhaps you could acknowledge that maybe, there were other reasons besides race that contributed to your not being hired?

I've heard that sometimes they even look at things like experience, past work history, technical knowledge, you know, silly little things like that. Your interview perfomance also has a large bearing on the outcome, maybe you said something that offended them?

Casually dismissing your failure as a result of institutionalized bigotry is only lowering yourself to the level you are attempting to blame.

Only my opinion of course. But I'm getting tired of hearing comments that de-value the many excellent local pilots who have been hired on the merits of their professional ability.

Cheers.