Maybe cos the other flt is still on the ground in HKG.

[This message has been edited by SuperSandwich (edited 18 March 2001).]

CX 110 17th March

Thankyou to the F/O who helped out the company and operated the aircraft in civilian clothes.

Many other F/O's were contacted and refused.

It is exactly this type of behaviour that undermines everybodies efforts.

Once again,

Thanks,


HUSTLER

Just sit down, have a beer and think a bit would ya?
That F/O may have been a commuter that the company knew to be onboard that flight, exactly what choice's did he have then hey? go sick for the next day with the company knowing he couldn't get back? don't think so boys. Come on be fair.

I've seen it done many times out of OZ, and no it wasn't me!! I'm based here.

The fact is there are still a few guys doing "secret" deals with crew control and it makes me sick. A couple weeks ago I was offered half a month off if I "helped them out" for a flight. Yes I'd like half a month off, but I'm not about to shaft myself and all my colleages to get it. We need EVERYONE to stick to the rules. The next few months will determine our futures.

Hustler,
Have you reported the individual to the AOA ? if not why not? Lets have a name !! if more of these people were exposed then less would do it.

ACMS
Sorry but your argument doesn't cut it. CC has been in place long enough now for everyone to know the rules. Have tickets on other carriers to cover yourself for these eventualities. The only way CC is going to work is with everyone giving maximum effort all the time. We are all tired of it, but when one individual gives in all the efforts of those who went before are for nothing. The result is that this whole thing gets dragged out longer and longer. I for one am sick and tired of having my efforts undermined by the results of a few. The time for public humiliation has long passed...........

acms... The answer is easy! The answer is NO I'm not fit for the duty!!

Maybe he had a big night on the piss on his last day in Aus? Maybe he had a beer for breakfast? It's not the companies business why your not fit for the duty!

If your on a F***ing day off, stay on your F***ing day off!!! FULL STOP!!!

I think what ACMS was getting at was that if this F/O didn't do the flight, it would get cancelled, and he'd then be stuck in SYD and unable to get to HKG for his duty. Am I right ACMS?
My question is, what the hell are people doing commuting on CX ID90 tickets for anyways? Is it the bargain price? (HA HA)or maybe the reliability? I'm sure there are other travel options, like a QF ID90 maybe.
You're more likely to have an airplane to get on, for around the same price, and at least there not going to come back and ask you to fly the damn thing!

I have also traveled from oz many times in the past and find it really stupid for someone traveling id90 on the day before a duty so that they may have to comprimise thir position on cc!

And in todays environment even stupider!

Come home with a day to spare, there is less stress about the what if's and there are more options available to you. Including through SIN.

There are lots of flights out of oz and no excuse to be working one on a day off, thats all.

That's all very well guys but if a commuter is to come back a day early then he might as well not bother to go home. I know he/she works for a HKG airline and they chose to be a commuter and we all MUST STICK TOGETHER but fair suck of the sav guys.
Those of you who have ever commuted in Y class on interline know that C is a lot better on CX thanks very much. If you are going to spend half your life on A/C to see your family it might as well be in C class!!
And sometimes the staff pax has ALREADY checked in for the flight, what do you all suggest they do? suddenly feel sick? A bit obvious isn't it?

Just food for thought is all.......... :)
I used to commute to GET A LIFE and it is bloody hard work.

The first thing that happens when a flight goes tech. for whatever reason is that the airline offloads all the pax onto the interlines. Result: no seats available anyway.

I take the point about the current climate, however, and it does make sense to book seats fullfare as a backup.

Reported in the FT in UK early March that the CX board in London are discussing the repeated cancelleation of 255/4.

CAA licences can be revoked for a route if they are not operated to a set frequency !!

Was thinking of applying - now not so sure now - is it really that bad - CX, HK etc

I believe there may have been some hiccups to a HKG-EUR service or two over the w/e? Anyone confirm?

255 on 23rd delayed till the next morning. Past 2 255 flights today in the air which were delayed.

F/O operated the CX 250 on the 23rd with a dispensation from the CAD because his landing recency had lapsed!!
What on earth is the CAD doing????

Simple.

The CAD is in the company's pocket.

The CAD is corrupted.

That's what the CAD is doing!

mad:

unabungler,

I understand that feelings are running high right now, but be careful what one puts in print. There may have been a myriad of reasons for granting the dispensation, The Capt could have been a C&T, and been renewing the landing recency en route.
If the recency had indeed expired then the AOA should take it up with the CAD.
I feel that at this stage it is not wise to upset the department that we may need in the next few weeks on unsubstantiated rumours . Let us ascertain all the facts first, then come to a conclusion. If there is a case to answer the Ombudsman is probably the place to start.

I urge you to have a rethink and withdraw your remarks for every ones sake. Thanks very much

Will the effects of today's action on services be reported on this forum?

According to a participant in the event, the dispensation was granted on the condition that the F/O (the only Relief on the flight) did not manipulate the controls. Hmmm non current pilot in charge of an A/C.

Conan, thanks for the reply. Very level headed!!
Perhaps my post was a bit out of line, at least until facts are substantiated.
FOR THE TIME BEING, I will retract my statement.
Time will tell if I should have done so.
..the bungler