These postings are not from CX pilots
 

CX pilots no longer post on this forum, and have not done so for more than a week. They have their own, closed, forum and activity is high, with nearly 100 posts per day.

The recent contentious and vulgar postings purporting to come from CX pilots are an obvious attempt to discredit our reputation. Similarly the "wind-up" postings by brand new users which have suddenly appeared.

To the media who frequent this forum and occasionally publish selected postings, please read the warning in red at the bottom of the page: "As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions. Any quotes you take from here will not be from CX pilots, but from those who falsely claim to be.

CX pilots may be reached in the usual way by contacting the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association. Thank you,

Chris
Former Moderator,
Fragrant Harbour forum

See above. No further postings from CX pilots are on this bulletin board. Contact the AOA for any information on our postion regarding the current dispute.

[This message has been edited by The Resistance (edited 02 July 2001).]

To Whom It May Concern:

We have all moved.We have our own site.
Probably our opponent is trying to make us look bad. Same old dirty tricks.
This is what we had to deal with for the last 8-9 years.

Regards
Bengi 25

All CX pilot posts are now on our own internal bulletin board. Contact the HKAOA for accurate information.

Chris, just copied your message to 'Rumours and News' for information only. Several unscrupulous individuals are attempting to blacken our names on that forum, so thought it timely to mention your comments there.

Sorry Pprune,
But I no longer post here now that we have our own website.

I no longer post here as we now have our own (private) forum.

Up yours, 411A

Gone for the duration, Bye.

I no longer post on this forum, no other CX pilot to my knowledge does either.

Bye

Never did use PPRuNe much anyway, but certainly don't use it anymore. Later guys!

I no longer use PPrune Thank you.

Hmmm, that's interesting, 10 CX pilots have just claimed that they don't post on PPrune!

I thought you siad that NONE of you posted on PPrune any more! :) :)

Check the user names FL390. We are all long standing contributors who have been silent for many weeks now. However, others have appeared, using copious obscene language, to blacken our name. Think of this as an electronic petition - we won't be back.

Gone till management wake up.

Back to the top !!!

Back to the top !!!

St_Paul_Island

I was not trying to have a go at any of you at all. I was just having a laugh by commenting on the fact that 10 people had said that "they are never going to post on PPrune again" and then they posted their message. It was just a little joke.

I know all about what CX management have been doing to you as well as those that blacken your names, such as 411-A etc etc, from before you all went silent from posts from Cathay Pathetic, The Resistance and Air Pressure.

Believe me, I DO NOT WISH TO HARM YOU OR YOU REPUTATION AT ALL!!!!! I know how hard all airline pilots, particularly those at CX, work. I know that you are being persecuted by management and their dirty tricks campaigns. But I also know that if you want to get rid of this management/get better pay/get better rostering etc etc it will be hard work. I believe that you are all a very determined group of people and I have spoken to a Cathay Captain and I know how he feels, which I am sure is the way that everyone at Cathay feels: fed up with being screwed by this crappy management!

However, I, as a mere wannabe, cannot really help your situation except for posting support here. And who knows, one day I may be sittig next to you on the flight deck. :)

REMEMBER, DO NOT GIVE UP YOUR FIGHT FOR BETTER PAY AND CONDITIONS! It'll be worth it in the end! :)

(Edited for spelling)

[This message has been edited by FL390 (edited 02 July 2001).]

No more posts on PPRUNE FH from me. Checkers checking out.

A note simply to confirm the points made by long standing contributors to PPRuNE.

Further I will be deleting or closing threads which contain any suggestion of being written by CX pilots for the duration of this action.

Here at the Towers we will be happy to publish anything CX pilots pass on to us. It is extremely easy for us to establish their bona fides.

The HK AOA does not need this site at the present although it is always available.

The big red letters at the bottom of the page say it all and we will, if needed, take more drastic action to ensure no further disinformation.

If you consider this action to be partisan and favouring the HK AOA membership you're damn right. We refuse to be a conduit for the dirty tricks brigade.

Regards from the Towers
Rob Lloyd - Balpa Committee Member
[email protected]

You would do well to remember the near 300 non AOA professional aircrew and those who voted against limited industrial action. I would hope they are sensible enough to see though any 'dirty tricks'. Your denial of a forum for this group is reprehensible.

Would this be the same 300 that stand back and watch from the sidelines or broke AOA sanctions or took training jobs whilst others supported their fellow pilots.
The same 300 that have benefitted hugely from the (unpaid) Committees work. and will stand to gain enormously at the end of this dispute.
I suggest you take the 1% of your salary your'e saving from not being a member and start your own BB.
You pathetic bunch.

a gift for you
http://www.airlinepilots.com/FreeRide.htm


[This message has been edited by jumpseat (edited 03 July 2001).]

To the Administrators of PPRUNE. Thank you for your consideration and support. The 1000+ Aircrew of CX who are tired of the contempt and intimidation of our management are grateful for your understanding and concern. As for the '300' who claim they are being disenfranchised......they can continue to rely on the rest of us to put our careers and our families futures on the line to establish and obtain fair and equitable conditions.....which they will benefit from also. Thanks again Danny and Co., you are the best in the business. Godbless PPRUNE, the enemy of malicious management everywhere..... :)

Thanks for the support from PPRuNe Towers. No sooner than they sign on than a newcomer butts in with the usual disinformation.

The vote was 996 in favour. 89 against.

Chris
Former Moderator

A rookie at CX, but long standing member, no more posts from me...

good one pprune towers...mouth off your views, then run away from opposing responses...just like a good union boy..

I am NOT - nor ever have been - a CX pilot. Neither am I a scab sympathiser as ironbutt has shown himself to be wrt the various industrial disputes over the past 15 or so years. A scab is a loner, in aviation, as EVERY dispute has proven. A union is precisely that ironbutt, a group of individuals with a common interest who agree to have all of their opinions presented as one, rather than a rabble - precisely the same way a company uses one or two "managers" to express the opinion of scores of under managers, advisors, consultants, etc.

All the best to those of you who still visit here. If you hear a "Good luck, Cathay guys" during your flights in Japanese airspace, no prizes for guessing who :)

[This message has been edited by Kaptin M (edited 03 July 2001).]

Just out earning the living that pays for this site actually Ironbutt.

Danny and I run this place using rather large monitors. We are able to have many windows open. You may have noticed the 'IP Logged'' caption at the bottom right hand corner of every post. You may also have noticed the caption near the bottom of each page for 'Ad Free Stats.''

Between them they provide very useful tools regarding of the site and generally you would quite rightly consider them as being of a particularly sad anorak nature.

However, there is another side to them.

Long time members will remember our slogan - The site most read by management. We dropped it a couple of years ago when it became self-evident to all aviation pros that this was quite true.

Of course the aforementioned tools had proven this to us all along.

As I type I have a window open which gives me the full IP, server and router details for the last 45 people who've logged on to read the site. It is constantly updated. It should be obviously therefore that the information on those actually posting messages is much greater.

Thus we know, for example, exactly how many CX management or SCMP machines are reading the site at any one time. We can produce detailed logs for any hour of any day for any company server accessing this site - it's childsplay.

The same goes for the quite remarkable number of new contributors. If we state that we are unhappy with the integrity of some of them we are speaking diplomatically. While honouring the anonymity of any and all using PPRuNe we will quietly and rapidly put paid to the posting rights of those abusing the system.

Oh, and one final thing from this blighted and unthinking union man. 411a has been 'outed' 4 times in recent weeks. On each occasion his personal details were acquired and placed on this site. In each case the posts were immediately deleted by me.

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Regards from the Towers
[email protected]

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Been called worse names by better people there Kaptin M...so keem 'em coming...think 411-a is a bit over the top myself, can see how it's a bit irritating...but just looks to some that the forum is very pro union, and while posing as an "open forum" for all reasonable opinions, it is as long as you support the whingeing and whining posed by the union folks, when people occasionally post opposing opinions, you lash back, and start crying for the moderator to delete the threads...so go ahead and delete this one, post anything you like regarding me on the site...I have dished it out in the past, but unlike many of you...I can take my lumps as well, and have also apologized in post when I tread on toes...so if you want to take your Pprune page and go home...do so....and take your union drivel with you....cheers

ironbutt, while to you, PPRuNe may seem very "union-orientated", I have found it the converse, and was wonder why Woomera decided to padlock the 1989 thread ref. the Australian pilots' Dispute...so there you go, each of us on different sides of the fence share the one opinion of PPRuNe - they (the moderators) are obviously sympathetic to the other side's views!!

Perhaps you are envious of the solidarity shown by the CX pilots, tin@rse, or maybe you were just brainwashed, and subsequently forced to do something you now regret.
Times continually change - and the CX pilots have been smart enough to change with the times, and have obviously been able to constantly re-evaluate, and re-update their thinking and moves - I guess you could call it "guerilla" style tactics, whereas the management have only ONE move - intransigence, and the threat of termination of employment - with CX.

As so many other forced confrontations with pilots (eg. Continental, Eastern, Ansett, Ansett New Zealand, etc., etc.,) have shown, the pilots will quickly and easily move on to other positions, leaving their former employer to whither on the vine whilst they (the pilots) gain employment elsewhere.

Wake up CX managers - negotiation is by far the cheapest and most productive solution. You have the opportunity to deal with a group who are a known quantity.

no regrets here...lots of opportunities to strike-break for me co in '83, eastern '89...sure there will be more...never did do it though but don't hear me whineing about it...just be ready to hear opposing views on this public forum and respond with facts and constructive somments, not name calling andf threats...and the conversation wwill be more productive..and disregard the wind-ups...a c-411a was a lousy airplane anyway

Ironbutt57---
Lousy airplane? I guess that's why I get at least 2 calls every week from folks who want to buy it.
And, my comments are never a wind up (well almost never). Just the FACTS as I see them You will note for example, that in all of my posts, I have never personally attacked anyone. CANNOT say the same for others.
Generally, I find that those that attack and shout, have something to hide.

S.O.G

411A..."two calls a week from people wanting to buy it"? Sounds as though you paid WAY too much, if there are that number of people interested, and YOU'RE still stuck with it!

" You will note for example, that in all of my posts, I have never personally attacked anyone."...really?
How about THIS post of your's on June 23:
"A certain British Captain (and fleet manager) upon his retirement from CX, joined SQ as a B707 Line Captain. He signed a two year contract....
This particular Captain was so disliked by the local F/O's on the 707 fleet, that they called in sick whenever they were rostered with him". Short memory, 411A? or Alzheimer's setting in?

Anyway, each character here (myself included) only typifies a myriad of others who don't post. Perhaps some handles personify past acquaintances - pleasant, or otherwise, and I suspect you are fast becoming the "otherwise" 411A, with your head in the sand attitude towards the CX pilots' struggle for a FAIR resolution with the company.

Kaptin M---
Actually, quite a bargain.'Round about half wholesale price.
And, you will notice that I did not attack someone who posted on PPRuNE. Only passed along an observation.
The CX guys have a problem.....mostly their outdated attitudes, to contend with. It will not "get better" anytime soon, I suspect. And, neither will their management.

Tin@ss and The cessna fighting amongst themselves. I love it . Lets hope it's an omen.

Better sell it before one of those "GTSIO grenades" lets go, or it will be worthless...indeed the industry is changing, the high paid expat pilot is being "disappeared by the bean counters, but if things in the harbour are headed down the same toilet that most of the rest of the industry has already been down, why go without a fight? must remember that these folks have been around longer than most, no i don't like the union, and their hypocrisy is sickening, but folks do have a right to make a stand, regardless of which side they choose (something unions fail to realize), it seems when you don't necessarily see it their way, you are labeled a scab..which is very unfair, many of us who were screwed by the union would and do still respect a picket line...it looks a bit silly to the travelling public when unions choose to "work to rules" makes them wonder if corners were being cut and safety was being compromised prior to the action...heard lots of comments to that effect already here, and also in the states during United (85) and USAir (88)...we understand, but they garner very little public support for sure...either fly it or park it...of course parking it is not an option is it?

IB57---
The GTSIO's were overhauled last year, and last a long time if treated properly.
You do have a point, the CX guys may as well go down fighting, if that's what they want.
Sure wish I was wrong about the deteriorating conditions in Asia, but thems' are the facts, like it or not. It does not help that the CX management are "peanut minded" as well.
Time will tell........

No more posts from me either!

As an observer and occasional CX pax, I find it alarming that CX pilots are diligent and safe only during contract negotiations.

Should this not be standard every day of the year.

Well Doc Hibbert, to the layman in passing, yes this would appear to be the case, but trust me nothing could be farther from the truth...the union indeed does make themselves look a bit silly when they "work to rules", but it's not what it seems..