Commute to where? Within Asia, to Australia/Oz? Of course much better at Cathay. Again, naturally not at the moment. To Europe hard / borderline insane at Cathay ( in my opinion anyway) but IMPOSSIBLE at Qatar. Forget it, thousands have tried and failed. You can't commute from any gulf airline to anywhere, period ( maybe India?) Not even SA. If you doubt that there is no point to argue, we just have to leave it there.

The reason there is no point to argue WITH YOU is that in the face of ALL the evidence to the contrary, you will maintain that YOU are right and everyone else must be wrong.
I told you my friend is commuting and you say “IMPOSSIBLE”.
I told you my friend is making more money than I was in cx (after tax) and you say “IMPOSSIBLE”.
I told you my friend is flying less hours than his counterpart in cx and you say “IMPOSSIBLE”.

“Not at the moment” meaning how long?
Before the pandemic my friend was able to commute much more often (to Europe) than he is now, but you want to compare the best commuting days of cx with the worst commuting days at qr.
That way either of us can win ANY argument.

Bottom line: many of your initial statements and comparisons were not based in fact, ie WRONG.
Some were.

They might have been correct in the past and might be again in the future, but my friend in qr is seeing his family at least once a month (not enough in my book).
My friend in cx hasn’t seen his family in over a year.
But yes: STW WILL maintain that commuting options are much better in cx (just not right now….🤦🏼‍♂️).

Edit: I forgot to mention: my friend (I know, I know) lives in a 4 bedroom villa in a compound with a nice pool and gym, which he pays for with his housing allowance (not sure if your google document mentions that, because apparently not everyone qualifies for that).
He doesn’t have to live that luxurious, he could also downsize and pocket the housing allowance he’s not using. Try that in cx. Oh, I forgot, ARAPA is dead anyway.

Well we all agree that middle east is replacing rotten apple with rotten bananas.
Whats interesting is the 400 odd Australian CX pilots conducting testing for Qantas. Even if only 50% made it through then it would be surprising if none took it
and the large number of guys going to Atlas and E3 sponsoring regionals in the USA on a weekly basis....

Regardless, CX is losing pilots at a rapid rate and l’m sure most don’t care about the money anymore.

It’s more about the hostile management, archaic government and the loss of liberties under the watchful eye of the CCP.

So, what is the price of that? I’m fairly sure as a European, QR would be a lot better to see your family occasionally.

There is one pilot of 3000 in Qatar who is able to commute ( by coincidence a good mate of Piet). The rest are either flying a 100 block to India back and forth or sitting in a mall at Starbucks and wondering what went wrong in their lives.

But sure, if you want to escape hostile management, archaic government and loss of liberties, there is no better place than Qatar.

Are these your mates STW? You criticise Piet, but then you create a scenario based upon?

People have moved beyond STW, it appears you have a problem with that?

I hear EK have restored all the pre covid contracts to those they terminated, can’t see that happening at CX.

They will have to, market forces. 800 Cadets will not change that, but they are still comfortable in sticking their head in the sand at the moment. Wait till flights are cancelled due to insufficient crew. Money will start to flap all over the place.

This entire debate is based on the assumption that CXi is going to survive and thrive - which I very much doubt.

Some possible scenarios are:

• CXi goes t.ts up (no more Govt money, sorry);
• Gets absorbed by another airline (locals only);
• Goes all out LCC (certainly heading that way).

One fact is clear: with a 5 BILLION USD loan to repay at 9% interest in 3 years from now, the company will not get into the black for a very very long time to come.

To me that means no future bonus, no pay rises (ever), but instead more and more erosion of current conditions, history just repeating itself.

Time to log off, clock off, and f… off

Aircrew pay is a fraction of the total operating cost. Can’t run an airline without pilots, yet..
need that hardship money to attract expats, lots of it.
same with other industries in Hong Kong.

ofcourse predicated of if it survives.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8cf92242d.jpeg

Ok, Piet, I bite.

Define commuting.

How long is a piece of string?

About 3-5 days a month when you work for Qatar. Maybe, if you are lucky. Ridiculous.

Which, again, is more than you can do in cx right now.
Ridiculous indeed.
From Merriam-Webster:



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I reckon you will now start to argue that flying back to your family once a year is also considered “regularly” and that hence commuting options at qr and cx are the same.
Or that my friend isn’t really commuting, since he is not travelling between a suburb and a city.
I feel foolish arguing with you, but I can’t help it.
It’s stronger than myself and I DO get off rubbing your face in your own stupidity and arrogance.

Of course anything is better than the current state at Cathay. I would never argue with that. If you assume the status quo will continue, you are right. How likely is that?

Piet, you are dishonest. You know very well that commuting at Qatar is impossible.

I give up. Bill Murray is right.

Piet, cool down, I come in peace. We are all in the same boat.

QR is ( unfortunately) no better alternative to CX.

https://www.pprune.org/middle-east/6...l#post11223164

Ah the famous “username taken” has given you an answer on pprune.
I’m convinced now and stand corrected.
I’ll tell my friend he’s full of ****!

(I’ll also tell my cx friend that he’s full of **** too and that him not seeing his family for a year plus isn’t any worse than qr’s situation).

Do you honestly ever self reflect and read your own drivel?

Can you ladies please stop swinging your handbags at each other?

Oh, come now. I find it quite entertaining. 🥳🍿