CX- employer of the century
 

Getting fired while in quarantine… must be a new low for us. Why anyone in their right mind will stay here? Because of the 60% pay cut?

This ship is sinking faster than Titanic

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...gtype=homepage

interesting times ahead

Jelly fish is handing over hotel details so the HK police can secure a criminal conviction against them.

CX- the caring employer who will fire you while you have covid and your wife and kids are locked up in penny bay.

Where is the AOA? Are they even going to provide legal support?

Great so now the next time my uber eats driver drops of my lunch to my crap hotel lock-in I risk catching covid which will lead me to being fired without any evidence I did anything wrong

Handsanitser

Really? Australia is prosecuting people for crossing borders and you blokes think you can travel around the world walking around outside in complete defiance of strict health orders?

I don't think your Uber eats friend is delivering to your door. Did you shake his hand and thank him for the thumbs up service?

All they needed to do was check the CCTV. It was almost a certainty that they had left the hotel after getting locked down for 5 weeks in the loop. I'm not surprised, outcome is what it is and they have no fallback to any just culture committee.

Oh great, notwithstanding the folks who got fired even the poor sods and their families who don’t have Covid get thrown in the gulag like trash. CX and HK are beyond toxic and you can pint the finger squarely north at the criminal Chi-Comms.

Kaboy,

go to North Korea. You’ll do really well there. You have the perfect mindset.

What activity they did when leave hotel room ? Oktober fest already finished

What the heck?
How about for food, fresh air, going to the gym or just socializing?

Rie

i suspect this is Danny Lee. Just for your info these gentleman were not in a 5 week loop and CCTV was not the source of discovery. Sorry to put a dampener on your next article.

Bindair Dundat

You are living and working in a communist state, isn't the disbandment of the CTU a wakeup call for you? You believe you will be afforded protections when you knowingly breach a policy/rule/order?

Kaboy, and you think it’s okay to just abide by ANY order? Without question?
Would you willingly lock yourself in your room 365/24/7?
Because we’re nearly there.
I’m pretty sure the “secondment” to Penny Bay without due process or even proof of positive testing is in violation with basic human rights, but because the government says so, the people will have no choice but to abide by said unlawful orders?
If they tell you to sit at the back of the bus because of your skin colour, I suppose you will just do so, because “it’s the law”.
If there will be an uprising(unlikely, because most people lack guts), people like you will be on the “right” side of the law but on the wrong side of history.

There is a thing you signed called COS18, its their circus and you guys need to play by it. Same thing goes for the country you are in, public health orders differ everywhere, look at Chairman Dan winning the most locked down state in the world.

Next time you get the chance to overnight in China, see what they think about your human rights? You are in their state now.

No point complaining, suck it up or move on..

We work for an outfit which sacks Captains for throwing peanuts in a bar or telling an arseling what he thinks of having his car wheel clamped after a long duty. What did you expect would happen to anyone caught, in the eyes of the company, not following their rules? If they broke the rules they deserve to be sacked.

Life does suck, the HKG Govn rules and procedures are beyond stupid. This is the world we live in.

About the only thing to look forward to is the community spread of covid in HKG and the mainland, the stacking of body bags and the scrambling of the imbeciles who run this **** show to adjust to the new reality on the ground. The day will come. The sooner the better.

Kaboy

That’s what they told Rosa Parks and MLK as well.

For the record: I moved on.

The latest trend of disgruntled crew taking photos of people without masks and sending them to the media & management is purely toxic. Trust me walking out of that place for the last time is the best thing for your family & personal wellbeing.

Kaboy

You are speaking with the authority that HK and Cathay have always been this way, that there hasn’t been a precarious slide very quickly into a dystopian nightmare that is China made on two fronts.
The rate at which pilot’s basic dignity and human rights have been stripped in this part of the world is toe curling. If these people had better options at the moment they would avail of them. Shame those pesky kids needs to be fed.
We are nearly two years into this travesty. Your lack of compassion and understanding for your fellow airmen who are desperately trying to remain sane in appalling conditions should be seen as a real strike against your character. No one with any intelligence, integrity or moral fortitude thinks that any of this is ok. Save your preaching for a lower IQ bunch. Your arguments here are idiotic to say the least.

CX pilots now living in appalling conditions? Seems like the golden handcuffs really have turned this group into a a new low skill set.


Try telling this to the 500 pilots from Dragonair who have mouths to feed, they have moved on.
I think my comments seem to be perfectly aimed at the CX pilots IQ(is it really that low, seems a bit of an insult)

Complaining about an employer whilst employed and thousands of fellow airmen are unemployed, I think, sums up your EQ…is that not a little idiotic?

Well, that was the rules they instigated a long time ago, so what other outcome did you expect?

So because KA has been treated unfairly it is ok if others are treated the same even better if they are CX.
We shouldn’t complain because you have been terminated ? By the same employer we are complaining about ?
i don’t get your logic.

If you’ve moved on, Why are you still on this forum?

or are you still begging the ID to get you a job as your cadet MPL is worthless?

Did I say I moved on? it was about the mouths of the families that needed feeding, according to your colleague Bindair Dundat.

That's why you guys are enjoying this race to the bottom. You can only see what's in front of you, not what's around you.

ToCatLady

haha I’m not Danny, I didn’t fail a Cadetship. I am not even a cadet.

Yes, the arrogant CX Fat Cats will, at last, return to the their home cattery.

God, you guys are exhaustingly stupid.

If one doesn’t like it here, one should “move on” and STFU.
Once one moves on, one is no longer entitled to one’s opinion about this place, so STFU.
Either way: one must like it or STFU.
In other words: “either agree with me or move on and STFU”.

You are welcome to stay and go down with the ship but I will not be bullied into submission.
You don’t have to agree with me. You don’t even have to like what I say, but I get to make fun of you. Deal?

As an outsider who sees what is going on in CX, HK, and more importantly, the Mainland I really feel it is a blessing in disguise for the pilots who have been terminated. I am happy not having to bring up my kid in the Hongkong of today. This pandemic has only accelerated the takeover by the Mainland.

Having left Hong Kong last year after a career there I can only say ,from my own personal experience, it is the best move I have made in a long time. Such a relief to rejoin the real world and not be constantly treated with contempt by my employer. If you can, get out. Everybody has to leave the darkness sometime.

The IQ comment stands Kaboy. No one is suggesting that being a pilot isn’t about the worst profession to be in at the moment and thousands upon thousands have been let go but to harbour such derision for the ones left behind is myopic. Pilots are great at cannabalizing each other and having zero ability to think big picture. Management knows you will all turn against each other and it just makes it so much easier to squeeze harder.
china’s approach to Covid is delusional. Every human on this planet will get Covid. It’s too infectious now and to keep these draconian measures in place to control something that is uncontrollable is madness. Bolster your health care systems and arm your population with protection but none of us get out of this without being touched by this new disease. To endorse ‘the rules’ because someone is employed and your not so ‘eff them’ is low IQ thinking.

Did I endorse the rules? The word 'rules' I think sums up what you are required to do. I respect rules, hence why I am not in jail or unemployed.
Whether I agree or not is another matter, but you do have a choice on whether to respect or disregard. I think your biggest enemies are your own fellow pilots, reporting back on the rules being broken.

My IQ is high enough to realise consequences if I disregard them.

I think we can all agree that the 'rules' are complete BS and detrimental to our profession not only in an economical sense, but more importantly affecting the very sanity of our minds. Personally, I have worked in harsh conditions and been subject to my fair share of drama and trauma in life, but the amount of stress I experienced in the last 12-18 months triumphs over all those events combined.
Being away from family is tough. Losing your job in the midst of global downturn is tough. Being threatened to enter a concentration camp every time you show up for work is an insult. And now even the public is against us, easily forgetting who are the ones taking all the risk in order to bring them their live lobsters and Christmas presents

Do I agree with the rules? Absolutely not. Do I follow them? Unfortunately yes. I know full well that if I get a speeding ticket, going up to the judge and saying "But your Honour, that 50 speed limit on the expressway makes no sense!" isn't going to get me off the charge. Everyone else is following the speed limit. You do not challenge a law by first breaking it.

Believe me, I do sympathise with the guys who got the sack. I have not done a closed loop cycle but from I gather it isn't a pleasant experience at all. However, they did knowingly break the rules and should be prepared to accept the consequences. How else would it be fair to the others. Look how far it has set us back. Sorry to say, their actions were selfish.

KABOY - The guys with all the low IQ chatter are nothing but trolls. Don't take the bait. We are better than that.

Just so you know the type of people running this airline. Pass it on to all in the industry, what a disgrace. How do they look themselves in the mirror.

https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/...aELQalES8GbW94

thanks for that article! Glad to know that stepping out in another country is now punishable by law in North Kor…. I mean Hong Kong

Becky330

sorry but if I had to endure such regulations on EVERY destination that we go to I would also not adhere to them. It’s different when these regulations are being enforced by the local authorities such as in China or Thailand. In Germany there is no such thing as in-room confinement. I would have gone out of my room as well and if the company would fire me so be it. How long do you think this BS will continue? Especially as crews of the competitors have much more freedom on the same destination.

Here´s the best advice that I can give to you sorry souls who stayed behind. Leave Cathay and leave Hong Kong. It´s over. It will never come back. Live cheaply for a while somewhere far far away from Hong Kong. Don´t accept life to be what your living through right now in Hong Kong and with one of the worst employers in the industry. If you have family and kids - think really hard about what you´re taking them through right now. Cathay Pathetic digged a deep whole in the ground back in 2002 and it´s only been digging it deeper ever since. With the CCP and the Muppet HK government it´s just a dump.

If the article is to be believed, and the 3 members left their room, then they simply cannot be surprised that they were fired. They took a risk to break the rules, and got busted. I can only imagine flying in these current times is very difficult, but follow the rules or find another employer.

And if they really did a proper investigation and checked CCTV for two weeks in FRA a whole lot more would be gone, and cx ops would be in the :mad:, some of the justifications I have heard are surreal, and some that were in PB a very lucky not to be included, if you live in a glass house don’t throw stones.

As someone said earlier, breaking the rules is not the way to change them.
If you can't abide by them, don't fly. If everyone does that......haha who am I kidding...

FAA EASA
 

Good post , the FAA and EASA should do an evaluation of the situation and decide if it is safe to let aircraft fly into their airspace.

So check on drivers or airport immigration staff security or ground staff or anywhere else did not take place so there is no evidence where it was picked up, so no real investigation just garbage from co and used as someone to blame.