Time to raise the middle finger ladies/gents.

Yeah right on pal , the same middle finger that you lot raised when POS18 was pushed your way!

This time there is a choice.

Yes. My way. Or the Highway. !

You really think there is a choice Sam, what chance the refuseniks come the imminent cull?

Well, I won't do it, so I guess I will find out!

'Together we will get through this crisis....'

Fine words from CK, but surely actions are more important. Has the DFO volunteered to place himself on a closed loop duty cycle?

Yep. Leaders lead. So when the managers, cp’s trainers etc sign up. We’ll be right behind them.
However that’s not going to happen.

“Fine words from CK, but surely actions are more important. Has the DFO volunteered to place himself on a closed loop duty cycle?”


In addition, I am sure all the fleet office and training dept pilot managers will lead the way

cabbages

Well from the sidelines I well remember the mantra “no no we are all one airline now all part of the CX team”. That was a relief 😂 until October 21st when KA vanished. My point being platitudes are all well and good but reptiles don't change their scales and I cant think of any of your “bosses” I would trust farther than I could throw them. Oddly Im beginning to feel quite relieved to be out of it all. I used to think people were exaggerating how it felt to be released from a “toxic environment”. If you are fortunate enough to be able to afford to say “no” the worst case scenario is sleeping well, not stressing and not buying things you don’t need to somehow justify why you continued to trash around the night sky muttering strange oaths and incantations that apparently kept us in the air.
Be kind to those who cant afford to walk away.........

The take and take cycle needs to be broken. Anyone volunteering should do so with an offer of 5wks loop for 5wks annual leave. That will effectively give you back the 50% of pay that was taken. The AL can be used after operations return to some new “normal” in future. That’s a more give and take scenario.
Dont sell yourself and others short. The Aoa won’t help, they are supporting these “necessary” measures invented by CX.

Just not going to volunteer for this one.

For goodness sake already get the Aussie based crews back up to speed and use them they can do two weeks on 10 days off, they could staff the entire airline on this reduced limited schedule using the Australian based pilots at this stage. I bet they would all happily do it too

There would be no easy way to get them online. You cannot bring the Ozzies in and have them leave the Headland, they are not locally based. So sim training would be next to impossible. I doubt there are any current SFI's left in Australia either that could run across to the Qantas/Virgin simulators for any renewals either.

It might not look like a quick fix but you could bring them in make them quarantine for 2-3 weeks then get them up to speed and into the system. The initial quarantine would be dull however it could be combined with Zoom/Teams recurrent AEP and other regulatory items.

At the moment hkg based crew are facing months of potential quarantine blocks so might as well have the based crew do it once get retrained then just operate loops of flying without having to quarantine again!

But that makes too much sense and management would rather reinvent the wheel and come up with their own convoluted plan.

They don't need more 777 and airbus pilots from bases.

They have plenty of those in hk who have been sitting at home for many months without any flying. Almost a year now. It's the 747 fleet which has been running at full schedule all this time and it's the fleet which will take the hit from this 14 day quarantine thing and all of it'spilots have been busy flying already. Having plenty of excess pilots on hk base 777 and airbus, it would be a long time to train and qualify that excess amount and run out of them first to fly in their respective fleets at much less expense and hassle before they'd ever need more from bases. And only then would they ever need to think about needing base pilots.

Even qualifying hk based 777 and airbus pilots on 747 will be a major long term project. This last batch of 777 pilots switched to 747 took almost 6 months to finish and show up on 747. They can't do it quickly and in the numbers they need to make a difference in time.

Correct VforV - there are plenty of passenger pilots in hkg to crew the minuscule number of scheduled pax flights. And they're all falling over themselves to volunteer for this inhumane 5 week isolation scheme. Not a single one is needed from the bases.

A) job/self preservation
B) the money
C) ignorance of the effects of isolation

It's the freighter where the real issue lies. Freighter pilots have been abused and isolated for 12 months now. And that was just for 5-6 days at a time on a work pattern. Volunteers for 5 weeks of imprisonment? Not likely!

Maybe some are under the mistaken impression they can sneak their Wan Chai girlfriend into the hotel...

and to get away from the wife for 5 weeks.