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AQIS Boigu 18th Jun 2020 12:47

This is **** news for us trying to stay employed.

What a Nanny State - can’t believe you need an exit permit in 2020.

If Aussies wanna travel then let them.

”but the Prime Minister said...”

Mill Worker 18th Jun 2020 13:20


Originally Posted by Climb150 (Post 10814310)
As for point 2, Some Australians are still stuck overseas with many countries not allowing any travel. Many people are being made redundant in the ME from the big 3.

How could they have just "dropped everything" at the start and come home?

Sure, some are in those sort of unfortunate situations but hundreds are/were just ignorant, either way why should the public fund this? This is typical of the world we live in now that nobody wants to be responsible for themselves, particularly if it costs them...
If you are a citizen you can get back in but you should be responsible for the cost not everybody else. Fortunately this is about to change.

michigan j 18th Jun 2020 13:47


Originally Posted by Mill Worker (Post 10814362)
If you are a citizen you can get back in but you should be responsible for the cost not everybody else. Fortunately this is about to change.

Aussies pay but international students get in for free...
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...me-coronavirus

Please explain?

mr did 18th Jun 2020 14:04


Originally Posted by michigan j (Post 10814229)
Oh god, does this apply to passengers as well?

That's funny

Australia2 18th Jun 2020 16:04

Well said 150,

Mill Worker - you are a muppet and out of touch with the industry and the plight of all concerned. Lots of people are doing it hard.

You need to get out more.

Go away; I don’t think I’m the lone voice here.


Mill Worker 18th Jun 2020 23:03

Sorry A2, I think you will find just about the entire population (outside the aviation and education sectors perhaps) is very comfortable with the current international border restrictions (not so the domestic restrictions). My comments are not about the aviation industry they are about the well being of the wider community. If you would wish a UK style outbreak upon Australia well that is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I know many people from many airlines that are out of work and may never work again which is very unfortunate for them but it is preferable to the potential alternative. There are hundreds of thousands of business making sacrifices at the moment for the greater good and they don't want that work unwound.

It is better to read posts in context rather than from a rather selfish perspective.

cynphil 18th Jun 2020 23:48

I think you will find that the foreign student 14 day hotel quarantine is being funded jointly by the Universities and the ACT government...not the federal!

In reference to the domestic border restrictions....support for the Queensland premier’s tough stance on keeping the border closed is running close to 70% even though the media is saying to open. Australian borders closed is also supported by the vast majority of the population except if you are in the travel and tourism business...so I can’t see this changing for quite some time except for the bubble with NZ...

controlledrest 19th Jun 2020 01:24


Originally Posted by Fluke (Post 10814050)
No Booze on flights in Australia (domestic/international), to help lessen contact with cabin crew. why would you want to fly !

Just leave me the bottle.

BuzzBox 19th Jun 2020 02:02


Originally Posted by cynphil (Post 10814910)
In reference to the domestic border restrictions....support for the Queensland premier’s tough stance on keeping the border closed is running close to 70% even though the media is saying to open...

Ditto for Western Australia. Border restrictions are regarded as WA's primary defence against COVID-19 and the WA Government has said the domestic border will not re-open until there is no community transmission in the other states (ie Victoria). There is overwhelming public support in WA for that position. The virus has effectively been eradicated in WA and, apart from the travel restrictions, life is rapidly getting back to normal.

ozbiggles 19th Jun 2020 02:15

WA will crack quickly once they start missing out on domestic tourism and international student money. The only thing holding it back now is Victoria is just creating enough bad press to give him something to hold onto his PR but the dollars will trump it soon.

BuzzBox 19th Jun 2020 02:36

I doubt that. For a start, the policy on international student arrivals is controlled by the Federal Government and seems likely to go ahead with the existing 14-day quarantine requirement. Further, WA Government data shows that interstate visitors only contribute about 16% of the total value added to the WA economy by tourism. The vast majority (over 50%) of that total value comes from within WA. Under the current restrictions, some of the value that might have been added by interstate tourism is likely to be recouped by locals spending more money in WA.

The WA Premier's approval rating is running at about 89%, the highest of any leader in the country. His handling of the epidemic has the backing of around 90-95% of the WA public. I doubt that he will cave in to pressure from the other States or the Commonwealth any time soon.

ozbiggles 19th Jun 2020 03:11

Well researched but you must have missed the part where the PM said if you can’t go from Sydney to Perth then you can’t go from Singapore to Perth. Or if your state is not open to Australia then you won’t be getting any international students. I’m not sure how many international students go to uni in WA but the answer will be some and you can bet those University’s will be in the WA premiers ear. But I agree entirely that the premiers are driven by their approval ratings, not COVID rates.

edit - I do now, 2017 figures, 50,000 international students, $1.9 billion dollars.

AQIS Boigu 19th Jun 2020 03:49

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...lysis/12371472

BuzzBox,

Looks like WA might open very soon

BuzzBox 19th Jun 2020 03:52


Originally Posted by ozbiggles (Post 10814978)
Well researched but you must have missed the part where the PM said if you can’t go from Sydney to Perth then you can’t go from Singapore to Perth..

I did see that comment, but I think it's just political posturing to put pressure on the states to open their domestic borders. In terms of biosecurity, there's zero logic in the PM denying international students the right to enter Perth if he's going to allow them to enter Sydney or Canberra.

ozbiggles 19th Jun 2020 04:59

One of the best political quotes ever ‘Never stand between a premier and a bucket of money’. With the worst unemployment figures and the other states opening up to tourism and international students it won’t be long. The court case could go a number of ways too. It might have been in the closed States favour a few weeks ago but the number now opens weakens the health argument to keep WA shut but I don’t think the case will be up before the border is open. End of July I reckon all based on the politics, makes him look like he held out longer but not to long to affect the opinion poles, announced by this Sunday.
As for the international borders outside the Tasman, mid 2021 the earliest with no 14 day quarantine and that is only if some form of control is gained over COVID.

rmcdonal 19th Jun 2020 05:56


Originally Posted by Mill Worker (Post 10814362)
Sure, some are in those sort of unfortunate situations but hundreds are/were just ignorant, either way why should the public fund this? This is typical of the world we live in now that nobody wants to be responsible for themselves, particularly if it costs them...
If you are a citizen you can get back in but you should be responsible for the cost not everybody else. Fortunately this is about to change.

Quarantine is there to protect the Australian public, not those returning to Australia, so why should the travellers pay for your safety? Prisoners don't pay for their jail.

BuzzBox 19th Jun 2020 05:58


Originally Posted by AQIS Boigu (Post 10814991)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-...lysis/12371472

BuzzBox,

Looks like WA might open very soon

...and yet the State Government insisted yesterday the unemployment data won't affect its decision on when to re-open the border. See the WA Treasurer's remarks from about 2:00 in yesterday's interview:
facebook dot com/abcperth/videos/654588441793228/

The Government is certainly under pressure, but remember the unemployment data lags the current state of the employment market by about a month. For example, the May unemployment data released yesterday only reflects the market to mid-May, before the Government began easing restrictions, and was expected to be dire. The June figures, released mid-July, should show the effect of easing the restrictions. In any case, I doubt the unemployment data will sway the Government's decision making in the short term; the decision to re-open the border (or not) will be based on the health outcomes in the other states over the next few weeks.

InSoMnIaC 19th Jun 2020 06:01


Originally Posted by rmcdonal (Post 10815034)
Quarantine is there to protect the Australian public, not those returning to Australia, so why should the travellers pay for your safety? Prisoners don't pay for their jail.


pure Gold. :D

ozbiggles 19th Jun 2020 06:12

You can’t fight logic like that...

Duck Pilot 19th Jun 2020 06:35

They will just watch......


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