The Real Threat
 

While most padlock on COVID19, this is the real threat...

https://apple.news/An-HGItlkQ7yvV5lDjKacvg

not the protestors or the 150 bombs the authorities have diffused so far, or the 3 tons of explosives the terrorists were caught with or the repeated shutting down of the airport that would eventually put the airline out of business or the peaceful protestors who threaten to beat any shopkeepers that don’t close their stores in support of their peaceful protest.

Of the attempts to derail the MTR trains with large loss of life or the attempts to get airside and damage aircraft, again with loss of life.

Why idiots like you support terrorists who hate expats and capitalism and are hell bent on destroying big business in hkg I’ll never know.

this graffiti struck me:

"Home is a 50 Sq ft subdivided flat you think i am scared of jail".

Yes, Mainland China is good. This bill creates greater liberty and better business. Who is the idiot? Go work in the Mainland if you love it so much.

Do you hate all Muslims because some are terrorists? The same or different? Btw, what does the Mainland do to Muslims, take a look out West...

Need a Hammer ?
 

China, in its awesome wisdom, is now supplying the final nail in the coffin for HK and CX... Just a few more taps over the next week or so and it's done.. Hong Kong will forever lose it's already greatly eroded advantage !

Chinese contracts and "Social Credit Measurement System"
to follow...

But then don't worry folks, I'm sure Merlin is on top of this situation....

Well, I guess we have to choose between the local “terrorists” and the ChiComs. Talk about a crappy choice! No room for a middle ground? Whatever happened to “one country, two systems“? Seems the brutal Chinese dictator isn’t so patient after all. He is 27 years early. I suppose this is the first shot in the new Cold War. Probably not a bright future in Hong Kong.

The end is nigh!!

Xi loves you... You get 10 social points and a free deep-fried bat.

I do not like the Donald but at least he dares to speak out for Hongkong. The rest of the West stays silent and let China get away with murder & gulags.

No, just the end of freedom, liberty, rights, due process, etc. No big deal! At least the ChiComs “like” expats and “capitalism”, because that’s most important in the big scheme of things.

Are you seriously suggesting Hong Kong doesn’t have laws that prohibit bomb making, derailing trains, riots, unlawful protests, assault, trespassing into restricted areas, sabotage, etc?

What China really fears which currently isn’t illegal is a government sanctioned protest by a population who wish to be heard but don’t have a voice at the ballot box.

Nope, you have to choose between terrorists and ChiComs. A false choice if there ever was one.

Unfortunately the time for middle ground has more than likely passed. Look at our airport - it's like Fort Knox. Look at the damage and destruction that the HK people rained on our city - the closing of the cross harbour tunnel for a few weeks by violent demonstrators, deaths and injuries sustained. The time for the middle ground was then........by walking away and disowning the violence. That did not happen. Let's be clear - the violence and demonstrations only stopped because of Covid-19. Over recent weeks we have seen a resurgence of small demonstrations and I'm pretty certain that will lead to where we were in the latter half of last year. That will not serve anyone well. Pause for thought here, and think - would China be implementing this new law if all the events of last year had been peaceful. Probably not. Maybe we are getting what we asked for.

None of you really cares about the freedom of the locals.

It's all about your own career and income.

Never ready, a simple thought experiment. Let's assume there would be a bombing in your home country, but also millions of peaceful protesters. Would you then as a consequence of the bombings agree to martial law and loss of freedom for the entire population? Surely not. You care about your job and "your" airport, that is where you draw the line. Because in the end you plan to leave this place once your bank account is big enough, to live in your home country with all those coveted first world human rights you sneeze on right now.

Cxorcist, how many final nails in your imaginary coffin are you planning to announce? It must get tiring after all those years. You also must see that as long as you stay, your doomsday predictions are not believable. We all know there is a risk involved here. We all do from day one. And yet we all have a reason to stay, just like you. Now more than ever. What is the point of your decade long rant against an employer that you freely chose?? Against a country you freely chose to live in??

Violence stopped because the money tap got turned off.
In any case waiting for the good news from the Central Government on 28 May then it's "Hasta la vista....Cockroach".

Just a reminder that the events of last year were precipitated by China, disguised as the HKG govt, implementing a "new law". The protests began peacefully and became violent due to the incompetent response (more accurately, non-response) of the HKG govt. Note that I did not say the police... In my view they were also victims as much as anyone...

I'm hoping that you can appreciate that many of us are "locals" in all but race ... with spouses, kids, friends and all the accoutrements of life built over decades here, by choice. Here, not elsewhere. We have exactly the same stakes and interest in the outcome that you do.

When the money, businesses and jobs leave HKG, there won't be much of anything left in terms of "career and income" for anyone.

you people got raised in a handed democratic and liberty world yet go around and criticise people who fight for it.... you are no diff to a nazi supporter

The Donald
 

So now we know you vote for the ones who say nothing and DO let China get away with all this !!

You can't Fix STUPID
 

"The damage the HK people rained on OUR City" ???????????? WTF.
If I'm not mistaken it's THEIR city and THEIR the only ones pushing back because THEIR the ones who, in the end, have to deal with the hordes from the North..
And at what point in the last 20 years has China accepted "middle ground" ?? Read more !

FFS Flex. If you are going to use capitals get it right. THEY’RE for the second and third one.

where I am from we do care more about Putin (and maybe Erdogan) than Xi unfortunately. Very few care about HK. Although Taiwan is being acknowledged.

But to answer your question. Voters vote for themselves... So I miss your point completely.

Wait a minute; Brits had HK for 150 years and they could have introduced FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY anytime. But they didn't. Why is that?

honestly, i totally support China, Hong Kong is Part of China, whats wrong of the coming law? If you guys don't like it just **** off and go away. If you want to stay in HK then accept it and 100%support China. I really want to see HK pilot got in Jail by this law.

mebbe the mods/admin could consider a smidgen of judicious wumao culling...

they are all over every HK/HK relevant forum so I guess it was only a matter of time but seriously...

So you want censorship?

So why does China insist on changing the rules and settings stricter? They are breaking their promises don't they? They would just need to wait and things would be "theirs" nice and quiet after some time. Why this demo of power and the constant escalation over and over again? Because they want that escalation to show off or what? I don't get the strategy behind it from the perspective of the communist party? Is this meant to be some demonstration to the mainland citizens somehow? Why would you risk some important business place and piss off the west when at the same time you already fiddle with reefs and claims?
What do they want?

If it means I don’t have to read anymore ‘I really want to see HK pilots got (sic) to jail’

yep, roll it on

I stand with JMock !!!!

Goodness me, it is so amazingly easy to see right through some isn't it?

Did any of you think China was going to allow the protests in HK to continue indefinitely? I was surprised they let them continue as long as they did, standing behind Carrie Lam and saying what a great job she was doing.

The fate of HK was sealed back in 1997. Xi wants control and he has the biggest stick so he will get it. In my opinion, the protests will not be allowed to escalate to previous levels.

China needs trade with the west and raw materials from all over the world. So why risk it all for this now? Why not just wait?
They seem to want this escalation and I wonder why?

Anyone who thinks Putin is more of a concern than Xi needs a lesson in scope and size. It’s so obvious that I think for some leftists it is an intentional deflection to focus on Russia. The hard left actually admires Xi. They love totalitarianism and socialism, but throw the word democratic in front to hide their true intentions. They dream of the day when they can be a permanent ruling class of “elites”.

What hordes? The ones who invest in property here? The ones who list their IPO's here? The ones who's factories are keeping CX in business? The whole idea that Hong Kong would function fine without China is ridiculous. The close proximity of mainland China and its growth is what built Hong Kong.
It's a bit like the argument the police incited the rioters. The rioters looted and smashed and burned Causeway Bay for hours without the HKPF there while cheering and yelling for the Police to turn up.
The GBA will shortly overtake Hong Kong, whether the locals like it or not. STW you're full of BS, what if it was your daughter that was raped and murdered? Would you be out on the streets cheering for the accused to walk free in Taiwan. 4500 petrol bombs thrown, over 160 bombs in the last 12 months. The sad part is few of the idiots protesting actually read what Article 23 is all about and they think that by destroying CX, attacking foreigners and damaging the economy in Hong Kong they will win.

It's a useful diversion from the CV-19 issues in China itself, also "never waste a crisis" - snaffle it now while no-one cares (not that 90% of the world's population does anyway)

It was always possible it would happen after 1997 but it's not going to do them much good in the long term.

Uhhhh, because much the West is going to be putting the screws to the Chinese economy over the next decade. Or did I miss something?

China has lost some of their economic leverage, so they are now exerting themselves on the geopolitical stage. As China’s economy and demographics decline, they become more like Russia and North Korea, and less like the West.

China was always going to absorb HKG, like Macau and Tibet and any other is deems it can get. The agreements at hand-over were just to get the job done.

If you look at the way China has colonised Africa in the last 20 years, then you will see how it works.

It is very sad. It was inevitable. No, the West cannot stop it, even if they wanted to.

The West most assuredly could stop it, although they (we) will likely choose not to. China may be able to effectively defend its own territory, but it most assuredly cannot take its war fighting capability across the globe like the West can and does.

It might be that the West could stop - but they will not (as you know). Over the last 25 years of oursourcing and remote manufacture, the West has handed the 'keys' over to China. Since repatriating all the manufacturing would jack up prices considerably, China is in the clear. And knows it.

In 1938 there was the Munich Agreement. But one signatary already knew that they would break it and the paper was a holding procedure. There are other examples in political and commercial life where agreements were made for the sake of cameras and to get the transaction done.

So you’re comparing China to the Nazis? Regrettably, I wish that was far fetched. The Chinese are perhaps worse racists. Like the Nazis, they will have to be confronted at some point. Let’s hope the West still has the capability to do so when that time comes.

COVID has guaranteed further demise of western military capabilities, as budgets strained, and rebuilding after decades long war of terror, leaves force structures inadequate.

The US, Japan and Australia will naturally forge closer multilateral military links. Maybe the Brits will come back to Malaysia? That's a start.

I stand with JMock too, because we are China Lover. We like China, that’s all