So much bs on this thread, from those on the base who know unless you’re a member you’ll never be privy to the actual minutes of the meetings and deals between the AAOA and the company. Strangely the Aussies seem to alternate between the “yeah we ****** over HKAOA and we don’t care, it’s all about us” but then it’s “we’re all in this together, us unions, the fight is with the company”
Every 5 minutes there’s another threat of a court case if they don’t get what they want. Currently W patterns on the Airbus have been chopped back because the Aussie base demands long layover long hauls and in the past those patterns made up the second half of W patterns. So Aussie commuters who would love a base can’t actually commute either due to those on the base.
From a rough count that’s the 5th time in 6years the Oz base has gone after something solely at the expense of HKAOA and Hong Kong based pilots. That’s their choice, but can we maybe stop pretending it isn’t happening?

Some of you need to get a grip. I just read this and it’s relevant to Australia base as well. Just because we have an association in Oz with some teeth inside the FWA umbrella to make and enforce our contract doesn’t make us the bad guy.........

Back in 2003 and 2009, the pilots answered the Company's request for assistance. Since then, how exactly has the Company rewarded your loyalty? Zero or below inflation pay rises, negligible profit share, base closures, loss of W patterns, replacement of agreements with policy, no flexible working, and still no viable seniority-based way of changing fleet. Globally, housing has been replaced with HKPA, medical benefits reduced together with aggressive sickness management, the Company reaping their benefits of the JCR agreement before prevaricating on the pilot equivalents, all under the overarching attack on contracts with the introduction of COS18. In return, you have duvets and Illy coffee.

Your opening statment describes the rest of your post! All the AAOA has done is ask the soft-rule of keeping trips 6 days or less, be removed. CMP does the rest.

CX would like nothing more than to close the AUS bases. No one else has had the Gonads to stand up to Swire. The truth in this situation is self evident.

... and then they can pay to move all those pilots to HK, housing, education, etc. Yep, great cost savings there!

PS - This isn’t to say to AAOA isn’t a bunch of hacks, they are!

I’d love to know your agenda here? Couldn’t get a base? What’s the story with all this spew?

Honestly, no agenda. I’m not eligible for an Oz base and wouldn’t pay the tax even if I were. My only point is that other TUs should view AAOA as instructive in how NOT to run a union. I don’t wish ill upon Oz based pilots, quite the opposite. They are the victims of awful leadership. If you, ACMS, are part of that leadership, then you know firsthand that I am correct. There’s no point denying what all the other AOAs’ leadership already know.

[QUOTE=cxorcist;10690427]... and then they can pay to move all those pilots to HK, housing, education, etc. Yep, great cost savings there

You think housing is going to be available much longer? There is a bloodbath coming; they are going to take full advantage of it. I can see Oz being culled along with a lot else.

[QUOTE=Dragon Pacific;10690850]Like here are 2 letters- one acknowledging redundancy (termination it’s cheaper) and the other sign here for COS18?

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Control?

How is it that the AAOA is run by kiwis? What’s going on mate? Do you have to be resident in Australia to be a member of a trade union?

What a bunch of clowns. One clown undermines the guys trying to get his freeloading arse on a better deal and all the panic merchants jump on the bandwagon.

You just summed up just about every single type of pilot in this outfit. It's rare to find someone with a backbone or morals or a non self serving attitude. There is no hope.