HK Government just doesn't get it
 

Watching HK basically collapse into "failed state" status. You can condemn the antics of the protestors all you want (and certainly firebombing MTR cars and setting people on fire isn't going to help their cause!), but the REAL problem is a government (small 'g') that is wholly incapable of representing the severe anxieties and fears of over a million + under 25 year olds who have conclusively decided that they don't want to be subsumed by a totalitarian nightmare state such as China, and resent (deeply) the fact that all the wealth in HK has been effectively stolen by a small number of families and their political allies. If that isn't addressed, then HK will continue to burn, and it WILL get worse. What have the young got to lose at this point? It's time for CL to go, and for Beijing to take a step back from the precipice. HK will ALWAYS be a part of China that expects much more than the mainland, and it will now obviously risk dying to make that point. Either the govt. and Beijing come to recognise that fact, or they will be subsumed in a conflagration that will be of historic proportions.

nb: CX is certainly doomed in the current scenario, and any necessary change will arrive too late to save the airline or its employees.

Just an observation that being a Permanent Resident of HK (as I assume nearly all long-term CX crew are) means that you are entitled to vote (and to stand in District elections).

Well, firstly it's "non-voter". Secondly, the irony in that statement is laughable. That is actually the crux of the problem, NOBODY really has a vote that counts in HK. It's stitched up by the special interests who are actually allowed to "elect" their leader, already handpicked by Beijing. Thirdly, i've paid more tax in HK than most people earn in a lifetime, so yes, I do have a right to stick my sneb in. Fourthly, I am recently retired, don't work for CX, don't live in HK anymore so I can say what I damn well like. Further, if you read my comments carefully, I wasn't supporting the protestors (and certainly not the extreme bunch of anarchists that are trashing HK), I was saying that the Govt isn't listening or responding to the needs and concerns of its citizens. If they don't soon start, the entire place will crumble. If i'm wrong, then point out where.

ps. I am worried for all my friends and colleagues who are still dependent on the airline, and things need to change quickly if there is to be a future for any tourism related business in HK.

I got msg from senior gov staff, you are correct, PLA is coming down now and tons of boss moving their business out.

Er, I think that would be backward. What can the PLA do that the HKP can't? The police have plenty of lethal firepower if they choose to use it.

Krone. You really sound like someone who needs a bit of a rest. I think APs point regarding tax is that it demonstrates his right to have an opinion on the present and future HK. If he was here for 25 years then I certainly think he's correct in that assumption. As to stating he's paid a lot of tax, that just reinforces his point on being entitled to a say. As for girth and Filipino wife, I would say you are dangerously close to a rather racist comment with that, unless you meant statement as a compliment? I'm sure you did :rolleyes:. As for the bitterness you mention, it certainly comes across in almost every word you write. Take my advice, have a break.

I've been retired almost a year now. Looking at the current state of HK, I couldn't have timed things better. It's sad to see what is happening, and unfortunately I don't see it getting better. In fact, I predict it will get much much worse. As to the OP's post, I concur that the Govt is seemingly blind to the needs and expectations of millions of HK citizens. It's a shame that the impasse has seemingly pushed a small minority towards violence and anarchy, which will largely undermine their legitimate complaints. I don't see Beijing waiting too much longer to react. Hopefully all my colleagues that are still in HK will survive and thrive. Unfortunately I think that may be wishful thinking.... Good luck to all.

ps. AP, I agree with one thing Krone has said; give up worrying so much about it. Once we're gone we are gone. I find I rarely think about CX anymore, but the news lately has forced it back into my view. As you are probably now finding, there is MUCH more to life than CX or HK.

Traf... somehow the voice of reason after all these years.. Need Cruncho in with a comment on the numbers.

We've shared the same life... I went corporate.. you left.. my jet has recently posted outside Hong Kong.. and I have too.

I literally consider my mates and past colleagues nightly when they say whatsapp back that it's fine for them... and I go to the beach.

I'm doing fighting them on whats happening. Anyone left thinks there is a solution that simply isn't there.

Lighter Gas each other will be the acid attacks of 15 years ago.

Brothers.. Gentlemen.. (sisters)... there is life outside CX. Take it.

A few reflections;

- the experience throughout my career was one of mostly low-level frustration, mixed with uncertainty and fear. It's hard working a career in a place of no real legal foundation or protection.
- lack of control of the roster (and by association, your life) is in hindsight the greatest travesty of my career
- unaccountable management, who waste millions but who daily admonish others to save pennies, with threat to career for non-compliance
- the missed opportunities elsewhere (most of my colleagues, retired or still working other than at CX seem happier with their lot)
- a day back home is worth 3 in HK
- how most of what was considered 'important' by CX is actually fairly mundane, pointless and ultimately worthless. Nothing that seemed important to me then seems of any importance now
- it is not worth persisting with something that you implicitly sense is a mistake. I thought back in the mid-late 90's that I should leave. I wish I had listened to my inner voice
- it is not worth working for an airline that you are neither proud of, nor respect or in fact, does not value you in return
- the only sensible reason to have persisted with a CX career was because of the money. Now, that is certainly not a reason to stay at CX, so almost any other option would prove better, based on all the above.
- you only have one life. Don't live it in regret, fear or loathing. Although I made the best of what CX had to offer, I can say that if I could do it all over again, I would have chosen a different option.

Obviously, the above comments are my own thoughts, and each one of you need to reflect deeply on where you are at, where CX is going, where HK is likely going and predict your future based on that. I know what my conclusion would be. Regardless, I do miss flying with a great bunch of guys/girls, and I wish everyone of you well. Just don't try and flog a dead horse for too long... Traf.

So does this means that they're gonna hire a lot of expats with more lucrative benefits after things cool down to attract the lost pilots ?

I remember applied in July for second officer and they still haven't called anyone due to protests and slowdown.

"more lucrative benefits...?? :uhoh:". You aren't from around here are you Hitansh? :rolleyes:

Deciding which airline to join was a bit like picking mutual funds, very few of them were consistent good performers long term, and last years best often became this years worst. Those who joined in the 1980s on the A scale had the best years of Cathay, they are nearly all retired now and living very nicely back in their home countries or some exotic location they took a fancy to during their travels.

A sea change is taking place and the long term outlook isn't good. China doesn't really need Hong Kong to continue in its present form, the RMB is increasingly becoming a world currency and this can be managed from Beijing, Chinese transport links and ports have greatly improved and little has to transit through Hong Kong. The master plan of world domination through the belt and road initiative is well in place, taking over the South China Sea and recolonising Africa is moving along nicely. Ultimately Hong Kong will simply become just another large Chinese city, which will be out of favour with the government due to recent events.

President Xi Jinping has already vowed to "smash separatists to pieces", if the protesters overplay their hand they could push the central government into a crack down and mass internment.

https://thediplomat.com/2016/07/tibe...state-complex/

sorry to say , guess you are right , we are dancing on air and this air is getting thinner by the minute

The younger generation of Hong Kongers (and a few older folk who ought to know better) have proven that they will resort to extreme violence in order to achieve their ‘demands’.

In the name of ‘Freedom’ they will severely limit the freedoms of the vast majority of Hong Kong citizens by disrupting transportation and destroying infrastructure. In the name of ‘Democracy’ they will violently assault anyone and everyone who voices out against them or has a difference of opinion. You can’t make it up.

And if they force China to interfere they will have accomplished overnight what would otherwise not happen until 2047. I don’t think I’ve ever witnessed such a large group of complete and utter idiots anywhere else.

For a group that wants a democratic Hong Kong, the protesters are not very good at stomaching people having other opinions.
If you clean up the road, you get beaten up, if you voice another opinion, you get beaten up, or set on fire.
I really get the feeling that this is more about anarchy, than democracy, and a little sprinkle of living GTA in real life, I get it, it's fun to break stuff.
One of the demands states that the protesters are to be let free unconditionally out of prison.
What about the guy that set that man on fire? Or the man that threw the brick at the old man's head? They are to be let out of prison too (if we ever catch them)?
The whole movement is very binary, if you're not with them, you're against them, and they seem hellbent on burning down the city to see what will happen.
It is my city too and this should not be allowed.
Economy is tanking, people are losing their jobs. It's all fine and dandy for the protesters since they don't have families to support.
I'm not pro-China either or pro-police, as they are, in some cases, far too heavy handed.

I suspect Hong Kong is being used as a pawn in the trade war between the USA and China, and this is why the protesters are getting monetary and media support.

I suspect that Beijing isn't too happy with events in HK but as long as they don't spread to the rest of the country there is some mileage in letting things run - it shows people that a capitalist society isn't all roses, it means business will bypass HK and go direct to China proper and there is nothing like the threat of anarchy to eventually bring about a severe, local reaction.

Mr Xi meanwhile doesn't get branded as an oppressor or butcher but as a (fairly ) reasonable man allowing "devolved govt" run things - badly admittedly.

Doesn't that apply to more and more of the world these days? (Trump, Brexit, Catalonia, etc). I think the problem is the internet and the ability it gives for anyone to post anything, however extreme, false or offensive it is. When these things got filtered through the media and publishing houses it encouraged moderation. But I can't see the world turning off the internet, so I guess it just needs a bit more time for things to adjust.

The way things are going they may not have to STAGE an incident - it might happen anyway - firing arrows at people is dangerous

Is it the protesters firing the arrows?............Could it be Beijing employed imposters to make the protesters look like the culprits? Just sayin!

Another idiot post. So you're saying that in amongst the hundreds of protestors at PolyU standing together. That those with bow and arrows standing in amongst the protest crowd are actually Chinese imposters (chatting away in Mandarin). And you think that the guy who was set alight and is fighting for his life actually spontaneously combusted like the protestors are saying......... And you fly a big plane for a living (or don't)

I could be wrong, but I believe the demand you are referring to is for people who were arrested simply for protesting to be released, not for people arrested for things in addition or other than protesting.

Stunning that after being told to leave the PolyU they put down their bags but with the help of "Journalists" hid Fire Bombs and tried to light and throw them when they passed the barricades on the way out and got close enough to Police. If the rioters don't all get charged for their actions this will never end.

Meanwhile parents arrive and plead that their sons never did anything wrong.......

Source please?

‘Those that cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.’ George Santayana.

Do you also think that someone from northern China is not capable of learning Cantonese?

https://yp.scmp.com/hongkongprotests5demands

Demands 3 and 4

Another idiot. The police found 8,000 bombs when they searched the universities, guess your buddies were set to burn Hong Kong to the ground. They had to have their HKG ID info taken before they could leave.

Wha ?
 

I like the way you used "Devolved Government". That said, I don't believe "1 Country 2 Systems" in its original form, "implied" that HK govt would be "devolved " re the Mainland Communist Party however it was obvious from day 1 that every Chief Executive and senior government official were vetted and rubber stamped by Beijing "prior" to any "elections"! If you can call them that...
HK has suffered at the hands of Puppet leaders since 1997, period.. It's the way it is and if you think differently you don't have sufficient lateral thought processes capabilities to operate an aircraft. Any big "Hong" leader (eg CX CEO's, Exec Dir ) in Hong Kong are now of the same ilk and suffer the same fate... Puppets gaged by fear (cowardice).

Well I suggest that you stop arguing with me. I’ll only drag you down to my level and then beat you with experience.

love it how you pick out the 2 things that the pro-Beijing side suffer yet failed to mention things like police mowing down people with van causing a stampede, ppl getting stabbed for posting posters in a tunnel.....

Seem like you are not aware that one of the themes of the protest is 'if we burn, you burn with us'..... the purpose is to tank the economy, thus in turn hurting the Chinese economy....

As to protestors don't have families to support? where did you get this? just an example, how about the fireman who was arrested? He's got a pregnant wife to feed too...