The HKAOA in 2019. Your views.
 

An honest question:

What has the HKAOA achieved for its members since TA18 was rejected almost a year ago?

This is a question I’m hearing all too often. Are you?

The AOA goes through it's ups and downs just like any other org. The AOA has a particular difficulty in that it is dealing with an effectively lawless jurisdiction (HK), and a company that fully exploits that lawlessness. The truth is that other than a few weak characters that took training slots, the company still needs about another 60 people, and they aren't getting them. Sometimes it is darkest before the dawn, but the company is slowly suffocating from the consequences of 25+ years of cynical and self-serving attacks against their most valuable employees. The tide IS turning, and those that stand strong on principal will eventually see a reward for their patience. Needless to say, the contempt for those who chose self gain at the expense of their colleagues will be deep and lasting. The AOA will have its day again, and the company will surely see that their policies of the past 25 years has been mostly damaging to their brand, position in the industry and ultimately, their reputation and market value. There was a reason that CX was so successful in the 70's and 80's. It was because they chose to recognise excellence, both in their product, AND their employees. The moment a group of venal and self-serving managers took control, CX began its slow decent towards mediocrity. Here we now wallow. One day we will rise again, but that day will only come when they once again respect and value their employees. That same reason is why the US industry is largely ascendant, because they woke up to that fact. Don't write off the AOA.

It has achieved (and I believe represented) exactly what its membership would endorse and/or back. It has exactly the will and fortitude of the collective of its membership.

Just curious where you get your numbers from AP? From where I sit, seems to be no shortage of new TC's and current TC's upgrading to STC, especially on the Airbus fleet. But please remember, they were forced to do it...:mad:

Inside sources reveal that they are still short almost 60 trainers. The low hanging fruit has already been picked (more to the point, the "rotten" fruit freely fallen into the basket !). The company is really not much better off overall, and in some cases it has caused them even more problems, as they need to divert training resources to train the trainers. The pipeline gets more clogged by the day.

Dear God.

I have just got around to my emails, and read about the Traffic Light System.

Sorry to sound like a hysterical, "woke" feminist, but seriously? That's the answer? Judging by how everyone turns up fully prepared at my dispatch table, I can only assume we are already on "Yellow-y, tinge of green"?

Please, please, do better. (and yes, I've been one of the try-ers).

If management is not sending you a strong enough signal, then listen to AP's Rotten Fruit, or failing that, the appalling vote results to TP's motion.

How is the traffic light CC meant to be ‘effective against crew Ops’?

Surely Crew Ops will operate on the principle that nothing has changed ie. full CC, whatever the traffic light is set at, and welcome any other version of CC as fortuitous.

I think the union is going to install a set of lights in Crew Ops (sort of like a red-telephone-in-a-glass-jar hotline) and change the lights as the situation develops so Crew Ops are constantly on their toes.

Put in a motion and hope you can achieve 67% of the vote!!! What’s the point? The GC is so desperate to keep CC alive, why? It is not achieving anything.

Is this the same GC that was showing such glowing leadership in December 2018 and in the following months? And you wonder why the ‘objections of the GC’ get ignored?

Blaming the members or their apathy should prompt the GC into a bit of soul searching about its leadership and policy skills.

I would say that the AOA have done creditable job in protecting all CX pilots by consistently negotiating down the planned excesses of management over the past 20 years.

The downward spiral continues because of the total failure of the majority of CX pilots to put their money where their mouths are and vote for (and enact) a complete labour stoppage.

Now it has been left so late that there is nothing left to salvage.

Well done CX pilots.

And yet some of the currently most mouthy skippers (with their nice little nest eggs from CX housing) had their tongues firmly in the company's asshole back when they were F/O and S/Os..........

"Mouthy skippers". OK, very unlike mouthy FO's or mouthy SO's. Not a productive comment mate. Just saying.

Irritated
 

Wrong, you simply "got" housing, period. No tongue required.
And you sir, sound like someone who signed a COS for something considerably less... Anger shows :-)