The End of HK as we know it
Well, a cursory look at the airport at the moment tells me that we have now passed the point of no return. The protest movement will not abate, and it will lead to the overwhelmingly crushing force of the mainland security forces at some point. CX is probably permanently out of favour with the mainland Govt (until the inevitable "announcement" of a mutually agreed sale :/ ). Regardless of the ebb and flow of current events, it does not take much of a fortune teller to surmise that HK, it's way of life and the fate of its citizens is now on a path to irrevocable change. I cannot see a forecast that would now include CX as a "career" airline. A broken company, crippled politically, financially and operationally is not a place to store up hopes and dreams. It is over.
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Oh, you mean the Government then?
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Originally Posted by Small cog
(Post 10559044)
If you disrespect the rule of law then you are a supporter of anarchy and all that it brings with it. I uphold basic and universal human rights and despise any law with little regard for this. And I think that everyone should too. |
The American war of Independence and the French Revolution, not to mention the overthrow of the USSR, would not have been possible without disrespecting the rule of law.
A grey area, if there ever was one, and one which I hope my kids will never have to experience. |
There's a reason this guy is a "small cog". Small cog in an oppressive machine, that only survives without critical thinking, something this "useful idiot" provides the tyranny that has brought HK to this point.
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Sadly for the people of HK they live on Communist real estate. If they don't like that or don't want to work with it its time to leave (for the ones that can). Judging by the protests at the British High Com I would think a few have arrived at the same conclusion.
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I just called in sick for 10 days. Bugger this lark, I'm off to protest, all be it via my keyboard.
p.s. reports just coming in of Lufthansa crew being harassed at the airport. , They have been surrounded by angry militants for the last hour. If they are injured, then this is the start of the end game. |
How do you leave if the protesters boycott and close the Airport?
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https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2a1e870f9.jpeg Just got got this from the sky news website. Guess it’s just a matter of time before Hong Kong airport is closed again... |
Originally Posted by OK4Wire
(Post 10559050)
The American war of Independence and the French Revolution, not to mention the overthrow of the USSR, would not have been possible without disrespecting the rule of law.
A grey area, if there ever was one, and one which I hope my kids will never have to experience. Disrespecting the law when it is wrong usually ceases to be disrespecting the law when that law is changed. As for HK, it is sad, but anyone who thinks China will get away with this scot free is not thinking it through... they are killing the goose that laid the golden egg and shooting themselves in the foot. Everything changes, there is a good chance at this point that Trump will be gone at 1 minute past noon on 20th January, 2021 and a harder but more sane line will be taken against China. China should think long and hard before it brings out the big stick. History is replete with dictators and bullies who took one step too far and tipped the scales... e.g. the girls kissing the Soviet soldiers standing on their tanks in the streets of Moscow... the moment the tanks went back to the barracks was the end of the USSR and Communism in Russia. Ultimately, the same will happen in China. If the USSR showed us anything it's that you simply cannot educate people to the point that they can build nuclear weapons and smart bombs, stealth aircraft and radar, etc. and not inevitably have them start asking "Hold on, why are we being run by these gangsters..." It WILL happen in China. The country, even as separate provinces has a rich and long cultural history of which the last 70 years under communism is the proverbial pimple on an elephants bum... 70 years versus 1000s... |
I fear a Northern Ireland situation here soon. Over ‘zealous’ policing is resulting in an ever more violent backlash which keeps repeating itself. |
Originally Posted by Small cog
(Post 10559044)
If you disrespect the rule of law then you are a supporter of anarchy and all that it brings with it. |
“....they are killing the goose that laid the golden egg and....” Im interested to know what golden egg HK has that is so valuable to China? |
US Dollar based hard currency? |
“Blood Letters” book written by Lian Xi...excellent background reading into the psyche of our crony capitalists oop North Onya’ Hong Kong |
Originally Posted by oicur12.again
(Post 10559444)
“....they are killing the goose that laid the golden egg and....” Im interested to know what golden egg HK has that is so valuable to China? |
I've a friend managing one of the big luxury retail brands. Sales are down 70% on last year. This is just the start of it. Small retailers will start walking away from commercial leases in the months ahead and Hong Kong is facing a depression like retail slowdown. Job losses to follow.
For young Hong Kong people, the stark reality is their grandparents worked in sweatshops for a hope of a better life for their children, yet their grandchildren may face dreary economic prospects. This may cause further significant social upheaval and hardline intervention. |
Beijing will never let HK off the leash again. They will put permanent pressure on companies like CX. HK economically is heading for a sever recession, even a depression. CX will be lucky to survive without a major shake-up and I think any idea of a career here is now effectively over. Never mind the reality of what HK is now going to be like going forward: civil unrest, disaffected youth, economic stagnation and the slow death of the city in nearly all areas of commerce and social structure. The year 2047 is actually 2019. Surprised it's taken this long to be quite honest.
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With the Chinese mentality, Hong Kong will have to be punished for all this. Something targeted at the economy would be my guess. |
Maybe Mrs Lam will be sent to a re-education camp"?
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Communism.
It makes smoking look healthy. |
Originally Posted by Slasher1
(Post 10560047)
Communism.
It makes smoking look healthy. |
triple7driver (now there's a handle to ponder...) Ummm I think that the vile word "racist" is apt for those who see other races as virulently different from themselves. The last time I looked the vast majority of, "Hong Kong locals" as you call them are of the same race as those who live in the mainland.
When you wish to use words loaded with bile, be sure to check your premises. Oh and I disagree with the other paragraphs of you post too, FWIW |
Money Laundering
Originally Posted by triple7driver
(Post 10560181)
China will never intervene. They will not send in the PLA (which is already in the Hong Kong garrison btw). For China this would kill the concept of One China Two Systems for Taiwan.
End of the day, China just doesn't need Hong Kong anymore... they will let Hong Kong slowly destroy itself and rot. The only thing that would cause the PLA to come in is if there was a serious threat of independence - which there isn't. The people who think independence is a viable, good thing for Hong Kong are in the minority. China will focus their time and efforts on developing the other regions of the Greater Bay Area and leave Hong Kong as the forgotten city that will look back on it's past days of glory. All the problems in Hong Kong now are of its own making - expensive housing, lack of social assistance, lack of social mobility - it's not China but China makes for an easy target. I think deep down most Hong Kong locals are just racist and think they are better than the Mainland. They don't see themselves as Chinese... yet the rest of the world only sees them as just that - that's the sad part. Also Carrie Lam crying crocodile tears is BS.. She was a "pre-approved" yes person by the PRC BEFORE she took the job. Every CE for HK since the first one has been.. Communism MO at its finest !! BTW "Greater Bay Area" - MISAPPROPRIATED (copied) from the USA.. Same as most of the IP across the border.. |
The last time I looked the vast majority of, "Hong Kong locals" as you call them are of the same race as those who live in the mainland. |
This isn’t about race imo. It’s about freedom. The HK people (all races) have it and wish to keep it. The Chinese government doesn’t like freedom because it threatens their hold on power. They rule with absolute power expressed via coercion and oppression. Freedom threatens that form of governance. I don’t think the CCP really cares much about HK one way or another, but they do care about its symbolism as an example for Mainland cities and Taiwan. That’s why this uprising must be crushed. They are hoping to do it with as little force as possible so as to not upset the international community, but they will use whatever is necessary (including the PLA and outright martial law). |
Singapore Chinese look down on those from mainland China, why would Hong Kong be different. |
After observing the mainlanders in HK over the past decade, it's not too difficult to understand why the HK chinese loath them. From their attitudes, vulgar manners, aggressive behaviour, complete lack of understanding of HK culture and their distortion of our local property market, they have effectively come across as an invading army. On top of that, you have the mainland Govt threatening the entire established culture of HK and it's citizens. Not too difficult to understand that the great guerilla war of 2019 has begun. Just walked by a sign in Soho: "Give me Democracy or give me Death". Most of the young in HK realise that they must fight, or die trying. More strength of character than the average CX pilot I must admit (and a 100% more than any of our management).
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Nice to see that CX is now publicly smearing the entire cabin crews involved in the oxygen tank depletion incidents. Another "own goal". CX, poster child of incompetent management. BTW, how's your day going CK.
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Originally Posted by krismiler
(Post 10560480)
Singapore Chinese look down on those from mainland China, why would Hong Kong be different. |
And what is the HK culture?
I'm just an ignorant bystander here. |
Originally Posted by The Range
(Post 10560776)
And what is the HK culture?
I'm just an ignorant bystander here. Enuff said.. |
Originally Posted by oicur12.again
(Post 10559444)
“....they are killing the goose that laid the golden egg and....” Im interested to know what golden egg HK has that is so valuable to China? |
It won’t be for long... Sanya (the island next door) is already expanding there ports as per government planning quietly. They publicized it to be the next Shenzhen, but in reality there using the docks to replace the import/export of Hong Kong. The step next year will be to reduce the import/export taxes lower than HK so that businesses will go over to use them. It’s all part of the government planning in PEK, just wait for reality next year... |
Originally Posted by Brian304
(Post 10561040)
It won’t be for long... Sanya (the island next door) is already expanding there ports as per government planning quietly. They publicized it to be the next Shenzhen, but in reality there using the docks to replace the import/export of Hong Kong. The step next year will be to reduce the import/export taxes lower than HK so that businesses will go over to use them. It’s all part of the government planning in PEK, just wait for reality next year... |
Im interested to know what golden egg HK has that is so valuable to China? |
Originally Posted by cxorcist
(Post 10561120)
Nobody wants to ship their transit cargo through Mainland China or worse, do banking there. The events in HK are just further reinforcement of this fact. The problem is that HK now is looking more like the Mainland and capital flight is a real threat. That capital sure as hell ain’t going to Sanya! |
Originally Posted by Dan Winterland
(Post 10561360)
Billions of dollars in bank accounts, investment portfolios and properties their owners would rather the mainland authorities not to know about. |
You guys have short memories, we’ve been through this before multiple times where we thought the end was coming.........and we’re still here. sorry to disappoint a few of you but CX will survive. |
Originally Posted by ACMS
(Post 10561488)
You guys have short memories, we’ve been through this before multiple times where we thought the end was coming.........and we’re still here. sorry to disappoint a few of you but CX will survive. I don't know. I'm just a bystander with some interest in what's going on there. Watching history as it happens. |
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