Upgrade out of seniority
Apparently an ex Manchester based ex-dragon air captain who downgraded to f/o voluntarily and took a base in London is being offered an unadvertised captain slot in London. It’s bad enough he stole a Cathay Pilots’ captains slot out of seniority once via the back door called dragon air. Now he’s about to do it again. If the GMA goes through with this, there will be more than just 777 FOs being sick to worry about! |
Seems like a clear violation on your contract. I suggest you grieve it. Take it to litigation if required. I am confident the UK courts would frown on such things. |
Not a problem. The common seniority list will be announced shortly. He and others will then be plenty senior enough. |
You are better off litigating it yourself and not relying on the AOA. They can't seem to get anything right. At least some base slots are being opened up. |
Same pilot who was about to be demoted for incompetence ?
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Originally Posted by Jackschitt
(Post 10405126)
Apparently an ex Manchester based ex-dragon air captain who downgraded to f/o voluntarily and took a base in London is being offered an unadvertised captain slot in London. It’s bad enough he stole a Cathay Pilots’ captains slot out of seniority once via the back door called dragon air. Now he’s about to do it again. If the GMA goes through with this, there will be more than just 777 FOs being sick to worry about! |
Originally Posted by The FUB
(Post 10406101)
Same pilot who was about to be demoted for incompetence ?
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A Lesson
In the content of this thread any sane person should see why joining CX should be a truly last resort. If it wasn’t bad enough dealing with the amoral chimps that Swire promote to f##% up a potential gold mine, then you can rely on the little green eyed monsters from Aus/Can/France/anywhere else....(delete as appropriate) that have had their own moral compasses totally distorted by greed to screw you over as well. (Your fellow pilots by the way). Stay away, this place is more toxic than Chernobyl. |
For whatever it’s worth, the guy in question is a stand-up chap and in no way one of the people who make this place toxic. |
Originally Posted by main_dog
(Post 10407047)
For whatever it’s worth, the guy in question is a stand-up chap and in no way one of the people who make this place toxic. |
Originally Posted by betpump5
(Post 10407075)
So are you saying that the OP is correct in their story ? But it's ok because the guy is a "stand up chap"?
It's getting a little too cryptic here.. What’s next ? All based FO’s to get commands on the base out of seniority ? |
The AOA EUROPE president is pretty vocal on the HKAOA forums, so I am sure he will come clean about the issue and explain it all on the HKAOA forums soon.... |
So what is the explanation for him taking a base out of seniority? Mitigating circumstances? |
I'm sure there are ex Paris CNs who would just at the chance to take a LHR 747 slot.
So why would this ex KA pilot be allowed to jump the queue? And an upgrade would need to be completed with limited training resources |
This is a false rumour. It has been confirmed by the AOAOE Chairman.
I echo Shag Nasty's quote, "Please do not start spreading BS just to inflame the Pilots in CX. Everyone is looking for excuses to point fingers at each other at the moment, so what you are doing is very unhelpful." |
You might find with more specific questioning that the AOAE interpret there date of joining as there dragon start date not cx start date hence there belief not out of seniority, and seniority in UK is not part of seniority in hkg His answers would probably be misleading and would need more detailed questioning, I would be very dubious about his answers and intentions. |
Originally Posted by turnandburn
(Post 10411236)
You might find with more specific questioning that the AOAE interpret there date of joining as there dragon start date not cx start date hence there belief not out of seniority, and seniority in UK is not part of seniority in hkg His answers would probably be misleading and would need more detailed questioning, I would be very dubious about his answers and intentions. |
Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10411248)
There is seniority on a base BUT for any vacancy it must be advertised for all pilots in HKG and elsewhere and awarded on DOJ. So in theory an NZ based pilot could apply for a UK slot using his DOJ seniority into CX ( not his NZ base seniority ). The question is which DOJ counts ? DOJ joining CX / DOJ joining KA or DOJ transferring to CX from KA ? Whatever DOJ the vacancy MUST be advertised. Also, there are no mitigating or compassionate circumstances allowed.
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Originally Posted by turnandburn
(Post 10411318)
Then care to explain how they are london based now? Those slots weren't advertised. The Assc has turned a bind eye to it, there behaviour over recent years is appalling and getting worse. |
Right seat to right seat MAN to LHR furry muff. But an UPGRADE! No sir, that's not cricket.
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