Kitsune. In case you didn’t notice, there seems to be a hardening of attitudes towards this worthless management. People fo evidently learn to not repeat history. As for the 49er’s, I seriously doubt even this management would dare go there again, as they would lose a lot more 49 people when it was all said and done. This vote will prove a watershed in the history of this airline. It translates into one word : “enough “. |
Originally Posted by mngmt mole
(Post 10381417)
Kitsune. In case you didn’t notice, there seems to be a hardening of attitudes towards this worthless management. People fo evidently learn to not repeat history. As for the 49er’s, I seriously doubt even this management would dare go there again, as they would lose a lot more 49 people when it was all said and done. This vote will prove a watershed in the history of this airline. It translates into one word : “enough “. On the basis of the slowly eroded CC/TB with everyone’s mates joining training, it won’t happen. Laugh at being accused of being management when I suggest a vote for upping industrial action. You scared because most will vote no or they’ll vote yes and then run and hide anyway? |
MC. Anyone who takes the time to collate and read some of your posts easily concludes that you are not a pilot, and are just some Swire office lackey desperately attempting to influence the debate in favour of the company. Only when you get called out do you then become "rambo" like in your frantic attempt to appear as one of the pilot fraternity. Seriously, give it up. Embarrassing.
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This vote will prove a watershed in the history of this airline. It translates into one word : “enough “. One telling point was the vote for accepting positioning on the freighter a number of years back: despite the then-GMA’s fairly explicit threats the vote was a resounding “get stuffed”. He was later, ahem, removed from his post. Let’s face it, a 78.6% NO when both management and the union’s own Chairman and GC begged us to vote yes is a very loud statement. Coupled with an ever increasing resignation rate, a barely static airline size in the face of increasing competition and fewer trainers than three years ago precisely when we need all training hands on deck for the POS 18 wave will certainly be causing some sleepless nights. They may have draconian plans in place or they may have been bluffing, we shall soon see more of their hand. Then the “we should have accepted the few crumbs that were thrown at us” brigade will either be able to say they told us so, or else finally stop whingeing about the scraps they didn’t get to lap up. |
Originally Posted by freightdoggiedog
(Post 10381526)
I actually begin to believe this too. Once upon a time, back when a CX pilot’s package was the envy of the industry, when management shouted “jump” the only response was “how high?” But years of deceit and double-speak, a constant erosion of pay and T&Cs not to mention a growing proportion of the pilot body on inferior packages (HKPA instead of ARAPA and now POS 18, ever-increasing times to upgrade etc) mean a decreasing tolerance for this management style. With less and less to lose we move slowly but surely towards a cabin crew-like attitude.
One telling point was the vote for accepting positioning on the freighter a number of years back: despite the then-GMA’s fairly explicit threats the vote was a resounding “get stuffed”. He was later, ahem, removed from his post. Let’s face it, a 78.6% NO when both management and the union’s own Chairman and GC begged us to vote yes is a very loud statement. Coupled with an ever increasing resignation rate, a barely static airline size in the face of increasing competition and fewer trainers than three years ago precisely when we need all training hands on deck for the POS 18 wave will certainly be causing some sleepless nights. They may have draconian plans in place or they may have been bluffing, we shall soon see more of their hand. Then the “we should have accepted the few crumbs that were thrown at us” brigade will either be able to say they told us so, or else finally stop whingeing about the scraps they didn’t get to lap up. You must all sit on your hands and see what the company dreams up next. With no Plan B they face the problem of announcing massive profits in March and then having to justify their 1% offer to the public. Theresights are now firmly on KA and the DPA and those poor buggars face a very torrid couple of months. Of course a joining of forces would be the sensible solution but the KA borthers made it very clear in December 2017 that they had no appetite for that. Sit on your hands and watch the circus come to town. Expect outrageous threats and promises but remember the managers have to face the shareholders soon. The profit will soften the blow but the investors will want to know what is Plan B. There isn't one. Enjoy the show. |
No resignation yet ? Time to kick DS and the GC out today.
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Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10381534)
Well said. The facts are the company has no Plan B. DS had promised to deliver a yes vote and failed. He is toast now in the AOA, the company and amongst his fellow pilots ( now former colleagues ). He faces a very lonely career ( a bit like Phil W when he left his GMA job and nobody spoke to him for 10 years, except to read the checklist ). So leave DS out of it. If he resigns good, if he doesn't ,so what he has ZERO credibility now and staying on only displays his arrogance and stupidity.
You must all sit on your hands and see what the company dreams up next. With no Plan B they face the problem of announcing massive profits in March and then having to justify their 1% offer to the public. Theresights are now firmly on KA and the DPA and those poor buggars face a very torrid couple of months. Of course a joining of forces would be the sensible solution but the KA borthers made it very clear in December 2017 that they had no appetite for that. Sit on your hands and watch the circus come to town. Expect outrageous threats and promises but remember the managers have to face the shareholders soon. The profit will soften the blow but the investors will want to know what is Plan B. There isn't one. Enjoy the show. Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault. Everyones leaving No-ones joining CC is killing them The TB is stifling growth The AOA is a conspiracy They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not. Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner. |
Originally Posted by morningcoffee
(Post 10383577)
Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them. Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault. Everyones leaving No-ones joining CC is killing them The TB is stifling growth The AOA is a conspiracy They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not. Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner. However self-respect and having principles is something very different, something you MC don’t understand. We’re professional pilots and we know we’re valuable. That’s what 79% of us said to the company. That we’re worth more, and we won’t concede to a +12% pay cut over the last 4 years without properly being recognized for our worth. Not any monkey can fly a plane. And yes, pilots are LEAVING. Can someone say “head in the sand?” |
To be fair it has nothing to do with what we think (or what the company thinks) we are worth, and all to do with how little they think they can get away with giving us, and with how much leverage we can bring to bear. Speaking of “the shareholders” is meaningless as the majority shareholder are Swire and they call the shots. Private shareholders are a small minority. MC, as many here have tried to explain the offer was deemed to be worth peanuts (for many it actually would have meant a financial loss) and came at a high cost, one which was judged too expensive to be worth it. If the company does in fact have a retention and training problem then it’s up to them to fix the offer, not us. If not, so be it, but at least I won’t have to wake up in the morning and know that I voluntarily signed up for “ST19”. |
People need to stop with the whole “it’s about getting treated with respect, I don’t care if I get a 100% payrise, I’m a professional airline pilot, blah blah blah” |
MC. Your ignorance is impressive.
Did you ever consider that the share price has risen because of the exceptionally large code share agreement between qf and cx. This will equal a huge boost to revenue. The pilot agreement or lack there of would have no effect what do ever to CX share price. You total f_ing moron! |
Originally Posted by morningcoffee
(Post 10383577)
Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them. Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault. Everyones leaving No-ones joining CC is killing them The TB is stifling growth The AOA is a conspiracy They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not. Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner. Or lack thereof. In fact, I've never met anyone who does NOT want their pilots well paid and happy (this is a small fraction of overall costs anyway). And it surprises (and distresses) some of my friends when they find out how little regional pilots ARE paid--not that they or I can do much about it. Anyway, it's worth remembering that when it comes to life these years ARE your golden years. And time is your most precious asset. Spend your time wisely. If you aren't happy (or can't figure a way to make yourself happy, etc.) pi$$ing away your life being miserable (or trying to love something that won't love you back) is no way to live. Sometimes a fight is time well worth spent; caving and cowering is usually looked on in hindsight as a dark time in ones' life. As can be clinging on with the expectation of a better environment down the road (and effectively pi$$ing away your todays in the process). Pile up enough tomorrows and all you wind up with is a bunch of empty yesterdays. So it may well be time to step things up and get on with it. Probably worth some thought as how to best do this. If the membership isn't up to this it well may be time to move on. |
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Originally Posted by morningcoffee
(Post 10383577)
Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them. Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault. Everyones leaving No-ones joining CC is killing them The TB is stifling growth The AOA is a conspiracy They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not. Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner. |
Strange , but if you look back to 2011 the share price was $23.68 then a steady decline to $10 before recovering somewhat to $12.04 today . So it’s share value has halved , despite being in a service industry the company has had lousy industrial relations with all of its staff , and the analysts are claiming its a buy can I sell you a very nice bridge . |
Originally Posted by morningcoffee
(Post 10383577)
Possibly the dumbest post yet. The share has a buy rating with every fund manager out there. Anywhere between $14.5 and $15.8 The public doesn’t give a rats ass about the pilots, the no vote put the share price up, just like TA16 it saves CX money when we don’t take more off them. Every poster on here regurgitates reasons why we’re going to get lots by doing nothing, like the NC should have got 10% and it’s their fault. Everyones leaving No-ones joining CC is killing them The TB is stifling growth The AOA is a conspiracy They’re all just bullsh*t excuses to do nothing while expecting more. Take what they offer, and 1% is all the pilot body is currently worth. Like it or not. Where are all the losers who were on here years back saying there’s a way better offer than TA16 just around the corner. |
MC hasn’t had his morning coffee yet. Perhaps silence. Is all we will get. Fwiw, airline stocks are never investments, just trades. |
CX stock has always been a joke. One step from junk bonds.
CX $1.50usd UA $88.00usd AA $36.00usd SW $57.60usd DL $50.00usd WJ $16.00usd AC $23.60usd |
Originally Posted by bm330
(Post 10385285)
CX stock has always been a joke. One step from junk bonds.
CX $1.50usd UA $88.00usd AA $36.00usd SW $57.60usd DL $50.00usd WJ $16.00usd AC $23.60usd |
I would still love to know who was on the other side of the fuel hedge |
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