DSS Resignation
 

Where is it?

With this stinging rebuke of DSS, where is his resignation letter? He is completely out of his depth and absolutely the wrong man to lead the AOA if that is even what you want to call these past couple years. He has shown he is even more out of touch with the pilots than the DFO. How has this management pilot checker even been allowed to run the AOA in the first place? Change starts from within and it's long past time for him to go. With a 10 year escalation ban in this last offer that DSS wholeheartedly was trying to ram through, we were on the edge of the end of the HKAOA. Never before can CX management say they've ever been that close.

Step down now. An absolute disgrace.

I voted no.If you clowns that are screaming for resignations aren't the first to put yourselves forward to lead or serve on the committee you will be displaying the same lack of backbone you accuse the GC of having. If you are not going to put your hand up, stop.

You're right. Although I still stand by it, that post was more emotive than rational. I agree that the membership do deserve a GC that represent their interests, and I think you would be hard pressed to find one GC member that thought they were doing anything other than that.
The membership has spoken rather emphatically. In my opinion, seeing whether the GC take that on board and pivot accordingly before conducting a wholesale lynching makes a lot more sense.
To be honest I don't think it's something you'll need to worry about. After the vitriol being levelled at the GC and NC now I'm not sure they'll want to continue. I hope we don't find ourselves in the same position as the company, having trainers who really shouldn't be there only because no-one suited to the job will do it.

Yes totally agree with ACM... Who would want to represent a bunch of people who won't back anything up but want industrial action and then go on a whitch hunt after the ones that do represent. They brought you what they could get off the table, don't blame them.. Be very nervous about the loud people who talk a big game but have never done a good thing for the HKAOA and say they can lead or represent.

Great so you voted it down, now what? ohh you are waiting for someone to hold your hand to the industrial confrontation. Good luck!!

...And this is the great question and takeaway from this: what now?? Go ahead, I'll wait..

.....oh, here we go...the inevitable lynchings. Everyone, stop, take a breath and regroup. Firstly, our membership has spoken. Let's at least wait for DS to respond with his formal statement. Most of us feel he isn't the right person to lead the AOA any further, but for heavens sake, I know him personally and he is a good and well-meaning person. He just badly misjudged the depth of resistance to the company's proposal. Let him (and the rest of the GC) recognise the level of their failing and then respond. We need others to rise up to the challenge, and forming a lynch mob is hardly the way to encourage new people to put their names forward. Let's give a decent interval for matters to simmer down and then let's see what results. Ultimately, DS and his group are a spent force, but I don't intend on seeing him and the others castigated for all time. No matter our feelings about the TA and their role in it's recent history, the GC and DS are still professional colleagues. They lost (rightly in my opinion), but now let's not gloat in their defeat. The same applies to the company. Give every party the opportunity to "save face". We will only ultimately lose if we regress to arrogance and smugness. I've seen enough of that from our management over the years, and it has always stuck me that that is the main reason they constantly miscalculate. Let's not emulate them. We have the moral high ground, let's not throw it away. Sit on your hands over the weekend and then let's enter next week with a new and righteous resolve to see this through to a successful end.

I think it’s more that it doesn’t seem our leadership (DS) in the AOA thinks we have anything left to give, or fight with. Our leadership should show some determination. Some spine. Some guts. Some belief in its membership. Some hope. And that’s the troubling part. He just doesn’t.

Bring back Rod.

Complete nonsense.

Members pay good money to be in the HKAOA and have every right to criticise a leadership that isn't representative and isn't doing what is required.

Criticising doesn't mean a member immediately has to put their name forward to be on the GC. This argument makes no sense. When we criticise politicians, we don't immediately say 'OK you run for Prime Minister then'.

Ridiculous POV.

Resignation letter in on Monday morning or kick him out at lunchtime. GC too.

At least he showed leadership. DS shows nothing but self interest. Kick him OUT.

Oh thats a good idea, Vote Rod back, the guy who basically trashed Cos16 because he didn't understand half the stuff in it. Funny how people forget how he dropped the ball on the best deal we had been offered in years.

+1.
This is not a time for playing into the company's hands. Stay cool, allow due process, and keep the lynching hysteria for the bar.

Morningcoffee, are you DSS? It would explain a lot. Please do the honorable thing and step down. If you weren't effective before, you certainly aren't effective now!

Morning Coffee, you are 100%

MC your worst fears are keeping you awake at night. The membership and thankfully a very large percentage of relatively new employees have rejected your threats and intimdation. Your lapdog president and GC are disgraced and no longer command the respect or loyalty of the members. They are therefore ideal candidates for 3rd floor FOP jobs and are probably calling in your promises today. Monday sees you at a 10 am meeting called by RH ( who flew back from London ) where you will either be given your marching orders and thrown back to line operations ( God help you there ) or you will be told to brace yourself for years more of struggle. Is it really worth that to you. Your extra 20% buys your contempt and distrust by every pilot in the company. Your third floor desk a tombstone to your career. Your're finished and you don't even know it.

MC is busy looking for a new job. Or at least he should be. Having said that, i'll miss his comical attempts to impersonate a pilot, and his rather frantic and hysterical posts attempting to manipulate the votes of real pilots. Either way, he is nothing but noise on this website.

Votes are nothing without action and you shouldn't have to be lead by the hand to do that, I don't see anything happening. That is the state of this group of employees, all talk, no action, always blaming someone else, scared to stand up for themselves and always want someone else to do the dirty work for them.

The worm has turned. For the first time the pilots have OVERWHELMINGLY rejected a company offer and the AOA recommendation to accept it. This is new territory for the management and will need a new approach and departure from their victorian management style. Unfortunately, their entire management team was brought up on such a style so a change is needed from top to toe. Watch this space. The pilots need to just sit tight. Aeroplanes can fly without managers, checkin staff, admin people, cabin crew and directors but they can't fly without PILOTS and CX is still an airline ( just ) and needs planes in the sky.

This is like a bad CNN loop.
Now we have MB off the big twin proposing motions seconded by JFK. The same guy who called the company on his leave day to save the day and to operate back from oztralia and the committee tuned a blind eye to it.Was duly reported, and now proposing motions. What a joke. Some are apparently exempt from it. Wish I was in that club. CC is a minor inconvenience at best.

You're right, Xw, this did indeed , the difference is that the "us" you're referring to is not the pilot body.

Xwindldg, I see you and MC are flailing all over the forums desperately trying to sow dissension. Not only are you transparently company lap dogs, but you lost. Lost big. Get over it and perhaps try and find a job your mother would actually be proud of you for. Working 12 hours a day in your Swire cubicle must be soul destroying. Why don't the two of you just resign and go on holiday together, somewhere your morals and outlook will make you welcome, like Venezuela.