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Originally Posted by mngmt mole
(Post 10361792)
...”endured such silliness “...?? Would rather be back enduring that “silliness “ than the mindless incompetence and pointlessness of the current era. At least the managers back then still stood up for their pilots. |
Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10361824)
Totally agree. back then the managers were pilots first and managers second. They could all fly and loved flying. Contrast this with the bunch we have now. Most are well below average flyingwise( look how many only got commands on their second attempt ) and fly as little as possible prefering to sit at a desk and micro manage the policies dictated from above. Pathetic crowd.I well remember one guy ( still up there ) told me he was applying for a management job because his wife wanted him to have weekends free to look after the kids while she did yoga classes. Pathetic.
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Staggers: If you saw him laughing then it must have been a line flight and not a check ride. He was the "classic" Jekyll and Hyde when it came to the different roles.
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Originally Posted by Staggers
(Post 10361779)
and TL told me that story himself when I was doing my L1011 conversion. |
Originally Posted by mngmt mole
(Post 10355062)
Another corrosive factor in the ever declining standards and career outlook for CX pilots is the fact that CX can, and will, hire anyone from anywhere. There was a time when they only hired the "best", mainly airline pilots from other established first world carriers, or RAF/RAAF pilots, either transport or fast-jet. There was NEVER any question of their abilities as pilots, or as individuals. Now, we have seen the airline populated by people who normally would have been clerking in a bank, working in hotel management or waiting in a restaurant. We now have people from more third world nations than first world nations flying for CX. Look around dispatch during the busy times of day and the writing is on the wall as to where this airline is heading. The day of the experienced, first world thinking expat pilot at CX is over. In another 10 years, there will be few expats left, and it will be (especially in HK) another Chinese airline. Not saying that with bitterness, simply an acknowledgement of where the management have allowed CX to evolve. It will be a lonely place for the few western expats on the flight deck, and much sooner than most suspected. As that realisation is now sinking in, it is causing the ever increasing exodus of expats from CX, replaced by the ever increasing stream of mainly local wannabe cadets, who's knowledge of "aviation" is less than most school boys in the UK. Come back in 10 years and we can debate the accuracy of the above. I will place a bet that I am not far off. It's over, and it's time for anyone who can establish a career back in their home countries to realise that the sooner they make the move, the better off they will eventually be. To stay here is to wither and die.
Its not just a disease at CX but in every other airline in the world. The dumbing down of pilots is a result of huge advances in automation both in the air and on the ground. The list of places in the world where ATC is not your nanny is ever diminishing. The systems, when they're working, on most modern aircraft make them dare I say crash proof. Experience, skill, airmanship have all been relegated to being non essential traits. Some people may call this progress. I'm just glad I've retired. |
Non essential skills....until suddenly they are. AF447 anyone? |
Originally Posted by Good Business Sense
(Post 10362496)
:):) Did you have the tickets waived at you in the first week? :):)
and at other times in my career 😂😂😂 |
jones was trained at lilleydale aero club
jones was so far out of his depth the best he could do was belittle everyone he dealt with he was not a bad person, just doing a job about 5 pay grades above his abilities there were far worse (others) one particularly nasty ex FE with less actual hours than all the new -joiners hope you all realise that you only lose the new joiner tag in CX when you retire good luck to all |
Originally Posted by Good Business Sense
(Post 10362496)
:):) Did you have the tickets waived at you in the first week? :):)
Funny thing was someone actually DID get up and said, "My last name is XXXXX, do you have my ticket?". He (candidate) was dead set on leaving, stating clearly to him that he didn't sign up for this. Wasn't going to tolerate that sort of treatment from Day 1 as a new-hire. Granted back in those days, the queue to join was long and distinguished......nowadays, pending you pass their silly group exercises and "tell me of a time when you........" questions, you pretty much have a job offer and no "Jones' Welcome to Cathay, our door is always open - we value you" treatment. Ahhh the good ol' days. |
Originally Posted by Staggers
(Post 10361778)
I remember them/him well; actually saw him laugh at himself once! |
Originally Posted by VR-HFX
(Post 10365272)
Staggers...that would have been playing cricket for Kai Tak, I suspect.:cool:
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Originally Posted by twothree
(Post 10365748)
Ref: NJ. Do you remember "Lower the Dunlops!"
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Originally Posted by twothree
(Post 10365748)
Ref: NJ. Do you remember "Lower the Dunlops!"
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