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Dan Winterland 13th Dec 2018 03:59


I agree with you that even on a “rumour “ network you should not make stuff up.
How are rumours ever going to start?

Penske 16th Dec 2018 19:29

At the risk of asking a stupid question, why doesn’t the GC just pencil in their floor amount on the outstanding item and volley it back to the company. “Here is our final offer. Let us know. Have a nice day.”

Seriously.

cxorcist 16th Dec 2018 20:31


Originally Posted by Penske (Post 10337150)
At the risk of asking a stupid question, why doesn’t the GC just pencil in their floor amount on the outstanding item and volley it back to the company. “Here is our final offer. Let us know. Have a nice day.”

Seriously.

... because they are worried they might end up with no “deal”. Somehow, the HKAOA has turned a negotiating position of strength into weakness. Truly an own goal!

Farman Biplane 16th Dec 2018 20:53

Perhaps a 1% pay rise is deemed an adequate return for years of CC/TB?

BubbaJ 17th Dec 2018 03:23

The company has the upper hand because of a bundled deal. It’s bollocks

TurningFinalRWY36 17th Dec 2018 09:36

I am so disappointed in the GC/NC lately, why cant they jut walk away, not even recommend it to us and tell the company they will talk when they are serious about negotiating. It is so one sided it isn't funny.

Tea time 17th Dec 2018 23:52

The company is hurting with the number of resignations occurring, so take a look at the offer and walk . Have a pre arranged signal so the entire N.C. walks at exactly the same moment .

Numero Crunchero 18th Dec 2018 08:19


Originally Posted by TurningFinalRWY36 (Post 10337496)
I am so disappointed in the GC/NC lately, why cant they jut walk away, not even recommend it to us and tell the company they will talk when they are serious about negotiating. It is so one sided it isn't funny.

Good question. Ummmm- because do you want 3 people deciding the outcome for 2400 pilots? Do you want 21 pilots deciding the outcome for 2400 pilots?

Or, how about 2400 pilots decide what they want to happen for the foreseeable future?

Numero Crunchero 18th Dec 2018 08:29


Originally Posted by Dan Buster (Post 10338199)
Or 2400 pilots could say to our NC, 'if they offer a bundled deal WALK AWAY.'

Yup that would 100% work! Let me know when the vote on that is happening

TurningFinalRWY36 18th Dec 2018 08:31

don't be fooled by the basing email that was sent out today. Think about why they would dangle the basing carrot just before a deal is meant to be voted on. Once again you will fall in to the companies trap. If the deal is no good vote it down, force them to finally do the right thing.

Hugo Peroni the IV 18th Dec 2018 09:33

Base slots subject to training capacity......which is zero!

TurningFinalRWY36 18th Dec 2018 15:57

you do realise people will foolishly vote in the deal in the hopes of getting a base. It is just a ploy to get us to sign a crappy deal. Don't fall for it people, bases are not coming back. Fight for your contract, get a fair deal, dont just pick up the crumbs in the hope of a base that wont be available

Cpt. Underpants 18th Dec 2018 21:27


Originally Posted by Cpt. Underpants (Post 10333638)
Wait for the "personal appeal" letter in your CMB soon. The jellyfish will try to reason with you on a "personal" basis, invoking (possibly) your family, kids, vague undertakings regarding home port bases, suggesting fleet transfers, or whatever it takes to sucker you into an acceptance of "the offer".
Don't fall for it. They are as dishonest as the day is long. It's a trap. They're screwed without cc and tb gone. Stay the course.

Told you it would happen. The “vague undertaking regarding home port bases” has just been published.

Dont fall for it, kids.

Flex88 19th Dec 2018 06:47

Bases
 
;). Out goes the hook, now let's see how many persons of reduced intellect take the bait...

TurningFinalRWY36 19th Dec 2018 07:53

A lot. Some have already put up giddy posts on Yammer.

Sorry Dog 21st Dec 2018 02:02

Fishing is more fun when you catch some.


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