Secret recording
Is there any truth that last Fridays CX/HKAOA meeting was secretly recorded ( by the company ) and in the recording GC members promotions and management appointments were discussed IF they could pursuade the membership to drop the TB by the New year ?
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What evidence do you have of such morally bankrupt activity? |
Originally Posted by kenfoggo
(Post 10303974)
What evidence do you have of such morally bankrupt activity? No evidence. |
The Ops/AOA meeting is today - not last Friday. But hey, this is a rumour network.
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Well done DS.....and your useless minions......
YOU will destroy this union. |
lesson learnt why are you getting so angry over this, there is no proof, just a rumour. Dont be so quick to come to a conclusion
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Could be false flag from company, in any case let’s monitor the career paths of the gc for a while. Such a recording will never see the light of day. |
Originally Posted by Numero Crunchero
(Post 10303979)
The Ops/AOA meeting is today - not last Friday. But hey, this is a rumour network.
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Originally Posted by Oasis
(Post 10303997)
Could be false flag from company, in any case let’s monitor the career paths of the gc for a while. Such a recording will never see the light of day. |
every meeting should be recorded
Every meeting should be recorded, records of it should be stored for 5 years, just in case the AOA membership gets the feeling that the NC and or GC have been corrupted by CX
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Seriously some of you guys are hanging on way too tight..........take a breath.......in and out.......in and out....... |
Originally Posted by skyboss
(Post 10304188)
Every meeting should be recorded, records of it should be stored for 5 years, just in case the AOA membership gets the feeling that the NC and or GC have been corrupted by CX
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Originally Posted by lessonlearnt
(Post 10303988)
To be fair - Yes I am angry over this
Maybe its because our union has done F@£K all for me since I have joined.... Just waisted my time and money. I will resign from this AOA excuse of a union very soon. STP |
Originally Posted by Steve the Pirate
(Post 10304253)
Funny, I don't recall seeing anyone else's name on the ballot for Chairman. If you think the current incumbent is ineffectual then perhaps you should have put your name forward?
STP |
Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10304175)
Agreed it will nver see the light of day but the scandle is it exits and the HKAOA know that but are denying it. Lying to the membership is a criminal offence.
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Unitedabx you did make me laugh so thank you for that. As they say, never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Please file that report - I'd like to hear what was said. |
Originally Posted by Firefly47
(Post 10306515)
Unitedabx should us some proof or stfu..... oh wait you have none
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Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10307025)
Non at the moment but if and when I do are we ready to demand our entire negotiating team resign. Standby.
Now I am left with two options. You are either a delusional individual or you are purely muck raking for your own purposes (which I don't understand) If you know who I am you will know I am speaking with 100% accuracy. Your posts are almost entirely wrong - the only thing you actually got right was that ODs were on the roster. The rest of your comments are entirely inaccurate. |
Spot on Steve. All the ll's who whinge and moan about the committee have never, I suspect, had the balls to take their turn and try and do something about all they bitch about.
AAR |
Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10307025)
Non at the moment but if and when I do are we ready to demand our entire negotiating team resign. Standby.
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Originally Posted by Oasis
(Post 10307145)
If it's true, it would be a real crisis for the union and it's members, and they should resign.
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Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10307158)
I note there has been not a single attempt at denial from the union. Not a peep.
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I note there has been not a single attempt at denial from the union. Not a peep. |
Originally Posted by OK4Wire
(Post 10307182)
You want them to deny something that does not (yet) exist?
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Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10307195)
I simply want them to confirm they adhered and forced the company to adhere to the agreement that there would be no recordings only agreed minutes. My point is, "rewrads" for the AOA team were deliberately mentioned at this meeting and the conversation recorded so pressure could be applied to force a recommendation to the members. When the company siad we are recording this, the team should have walked out. They didn't. Why not ? I suggest because they wanted to hear what was on offer to them if they reccommend acceptance.
So what game are you playing united? Do you just hate being in the minority that didn't vote for DSS? And you want the membership and GC to take a different direction? If so, have some character and do so on the aoa forums. Your completely false accusations show you to be of little character. |
Originally Posted by Numero Crunchero
(Post 10307225)
Isn't it about time you showed some proof? I am particularly close to the coal face on this - and so far the only thing you have right was that the NC were on ODs. They met with the GC all day Friday, in TST to update them on the position of the company offer. And all the GC honchos were there - so please do tell who met the company to trade for management positions and promotions?
So what game are you playing united? Do you just hate being in the minority that didn't vote for DSS? And you want the membership and GC to take a different direction? If so, have some character and do so on the aoa forums. Your completely false accusations show you to be of little character. Do you really want names ? |
All meetings should be recorded with each side keeping a copy which should then be transcribed . Once transcribed the copies are compared against one another for accuracy then and only then should the recordings be permitted to be destroyed |
Originally Posted by Tea time
(Post 10307268)
All meetings should be recorded with each side keeping a copy which should then be transcribed . Once transcribed the copies are compared against one another for accuracy then and only then should the recordings be permitted to be destroyed |
Unitedabx, These are big accusations and frankly my BS detector is at full deflection. So yeah... I want you to name names. If your scoop story is Darryl wants to go into management, then big deal, anyone with half a brain knows that. He was the company's preferred candidate and if he can deliver the union's gonads in a jar of formaldehyde (aka the peace clause), then he can expect a ticker-tape parade through Swire House leading to his chair on the 3rd floor. Numero Crunchero makes no secret that he wants to go into training. But here's the important thing, neither of them will do this while the TB is in place. However, since we are playing mindless BS games on pprune, I also want you to name your source. If you were in the room, you would be shouting that from the roof tops, so I'll make a wild guess that you were not in the room. I'll take another wild guess and say there were two types of people in the room, union people and company people. So your source is which, union people or company people? As I have said previously, I like the cut of your gib, but if you don't stop talking in riddles, you will look like just another kn0b on Pprune hiding behind an anonymous callsign. |
NC Gotta take exception to the comment about being in the minority that didn't vote for DSS. There were 3 candidates in the election in 2016 and it is entirely feasible that the majority voted for the other two. As for the election of 2018, I bet my 13th month the majority didn't vote for DSS. In fact, I bet the majority didn't vote at all!! Apart from willy waving, why is this important? When you or anyone else is in the room negotiating away my ARAPA and rights to engage in Industrial Action and lock me into a 0% pay rise whilst inflation is running at 2.4%, please don't think you have an electoral mandate to do so, because you don't. You are doing this entirely on your own and for your own purposes. DSS could not be bothered to put up a manifesto in the 2018 election, but in 2016 I don't recall him saying he would; 1. Present a bundled deal. The bundled deal was a major failing in 2016. 2. A HKPA deal less than what was offered in 2016. 3. An ARAPA deal inferior to the previous deal. 4. DSS claimed to be in the room when 25 year Housing was promised and he claimed he would hold the company to that promise. This has completely dropped off the radar.... Silence.... Gone.. Nada... 5. Nobody liked Clause 7 and yet it seems we are getting Clause 7 on steroids. 6. And last but not least, I sure don't remember DSS promising to fight for a 0% pay rise. Let's be brutally honest NC, had DSS stood on a manifesto based on those 6 items he would have got zero votes. In fact, he would have got lynched. He promised what he needed to promise to get elected. So NC, please don't claim you or anyone else has any electoral mandate to negotiate away our T&Cs, because you don't. |
Originally Posted by Liam Gallagher
(Post 10307325)
Unitedabx, These are big accusations and frankly my BS detector is at full deflection. So yeah... I want you to name names. If your scoop story is Darryl wants to go into management, then big deal, anyone with half a brain knows that. He was the company's preferred candidate and if he can deliver the union's gonads in a jar of formaldehyde (aka the peace clause), then he can expect a ticker-tape parade through Swire House leading to his chair on the 3rd floor. Numero Crunchero makes no secret that he wants to go into training. But here's the important thing, neither of them will do this while the TB is in place. However, since we are playing mindless BS games on pprune, I also want you to name your source. If you were in the room, you would be shouting that from the roof tops, so I'll make a wild guess that you were not in the room. I'll take another wild guess and say there were two types of people in the room, union people and company people. So your source is which, union people or company people? As I have said previously, I like the cut of your gib, but if you don't stop talking in riddles, you will look like just another kn0b on Pprune hiding behind an anonymous callsign. My source, the young lady who typed the transcript for the company, Her mother and I have been friends for years. Names, DSS, PB and Mark C. |
Unitedabx
Is there any truth that last Fridays CX/HKAOA meeting was secretly recorded ( by the company ) and in the recording GC members promotions and management appointments were discussed IF they could pursuade the membership to drop the TB by the New year ?
That was your original post unitabx - and the answer is NO. You have since moved the goal posts on what you are asking - your last post says a meeting was held with DSS, PB and Mark C. I know who DSS is but no idea who PB or Mark C are? They are not on the GC nor are they known to me as managers at CX. Now there is one slight problem. DSS was at TST all day with 15-18 witnesses who can verify his attendance there for a day long GC meeting. And the NC were give ODs to brief the GC. So keep watching your X files reruns - the truth (or a good PPRUNE rumour) is out there! |
Heh, NC, can you organise a livestream on the JCR agreement meetings over the next couple of days? It will save the hassle of NDA’s and the extreme lack of any updates from the GC! |
Originally Posted by Numero Crunchero
(Post 10307890)
Is there any truth that last Fridays CX/HKAOA meeting was secretly recorded ( by the company ) and in the recording GC members promotions and management appointments were discussed IF they could pursuade the membership to drop the TB by the New year ?
That was your original post unitabx - and the answer is NO. You have since moved the goal posts on what you are asking - your last post says a meeting was held with DSS, PB and Mark C. I know who DSS is but no idea who PB or Mark C are? They are not on the GC nor are they known to me as managers at CX. Now there is one slight problem. DSS was at TST all day with 15-18 witnesses who can verify his attendance there for a day long GC meeting. And the NC were give ODs to brief the GC. So keep watching your X files reruns - the truth (or a good PPRUNE rumour) is out there! |
Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10308784)
If the real names got out they would be linched !
Please keep doing these wonderful things and keep talking to your friends and neighbours - your friend's daughter typed the transcripts for the secret recordings, your neighbour's daughter is in ADL advising you how they are sticking it to CX. Wow - so lucky to have so many brilliant sources - you truly are well connected sir! |
Originally Posted by Farman Biplane
(Post 10308766)
Heh, NC, can you organise a livestream on the JCR agreement meetings over the next couple of days? It will save the hassle of NDA’s and the extreme lack of any updates from the GC! I am pretty sure unitedabx already has the transcripts and recordings even though the meetings are next two days. ;-) |
True, but he will have to ask for permission from his neighbours daughter to broadcast them! |
Eh - going through the phonebook.
Mark C - Head of Transformation Programme? A turkish surname PB - GM Engineering? I can see the first being involved, his ex boss is now GMA The second would be a bit odd |
Freehills - unitedabx said he made up the names - cause if he used the real ones they would be linched(sic)
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I think that "Unitedabx" is an attempt at a Russian-esque misinformation campaign - managed by whom, I leave that up to you. Snippets of reality interspersed with loads of BS, blatant lies and malicious intent. Note that all "he" spreads on here is destabilising pilots, our union and our unity, at a time when it needs to be strengthened. Not one of his predictions have been shown to be correct, but have surely caused some here to wrongly start doubting the correct side of the argument.
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