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Originally Posted by controlledrest
(Post 10253297)
100% correct. A full implementation with real rules is the best way to roster. It is how successful airlines do it. CX will only use their version as an automated pineapple insertion machine without any lube. CX know best.
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It never fails to make me smile how quickly people here rise to become offensive and launch a personal attack. I’m not wound up over anything but have an aversion to bull****. I live in the USA and meet almost daily over dinner and drinks with 3 delta 12 year widebody captains... my neighbours in fact. I put your $80,000 a month statement to them and my posted response are their words not mine :) I looked at their pay scales, contracts and rostering practices as we have discussed it in detail many times since our crap CMP was cooked up. Regardless of who gets paid what you’re not going to get closer to the truth by being offensive so in closing kiss my hairy ass 😘 oh yeah that was for ATY :)) Awaiting a pithy response Its my thread and I’m not sharing so there.😜 |
BB. Stick with your story, and your animated reaction to the statement. Regardless of the "number", it is fair to say that most pilots at US majors make more than most pilots at CX. And many CX pilots know Delta pilots, live in the US, and have as much if not more info than you. Pithy enough for you?
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Not bad but I was expecting a little more abuse :)) we DO agree on the comparative salary remarks ..I’m actually embarrassed to say who I work for now when asked. Never thought good old cucumber sandwich could be driven to such an ignominious end. I’m sure the assholes responsible over the years will spend their twilight years slapping each other on their collective backs over G and T’s while punting the poodle off the balcony. |
On those comments at least, we completely agree. :ok: (love the poodle comment btw!)
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Yes, cannot argue at all with that synopsis. And I agree with AP, poodle comment best of day !!!
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Originally Posted by Slasher1
(Post 10252668)
Yes. But with the caveat that SOMEONE picks up the trips consistent with the work rules written. This can result in high pay while also driving high efficiency. Some scam aspects are possible, but coming to a solution is all a part of good negotiations. Southwest is kinda similar kinda not but the key for all of them is an owned roster with rigs, paid reserve, and the ability to swap trips autonomously. And REAL work rules. Two way street. Could be similar with a full up CMP with all modules. But it won’t be. Because the company would rather impose and hose. So it will see the natural result of min productivity at max cost. In a real system you have thousands of pilots helping solve your rostering problems in an incentive based environment with benefit to all. What CX will do is akin to a centrally planned economy which has failed every time it’s been attempted. |
Perhaps Mr. Campy needs to have a look at the Transasia ARR accident. Why did it happen and meditate on it. |
We budgeted for a ‘hull’ loss |
Just like we budgeted for 300 resignations |
Be wary using the expression "we've budgeted for a hull loss" without due regard. Being prepared for any foreseeable eventuality, despite every reasonable effort to prevent it, is only prudent.
If you can get a Swire manager to respond to a question such as: "What will happen if the undeniable reduction in the levels of experience and expertise on Cathay flight decks that your flight crew personnel policies are bringing about results in a hull loss?" with an answer like "we've budgeted for a hull loss" then you have a story. |
Just got word that after my last Sydney trip where both the FO and SO attended their final selection phase at Qantas Headquarters ( conveniently 500m close the Stamford Plaza Hotel where the CX overnight ) They have both been accepted and are now in the holding pool. Congratulations to both women and good luck with your careers.
Yes both very capable women pilots, exactly who CX are targeting to recruit and keep. But both choosing to move. |
I can say on EVERY flight now at least one in four is going. No bs...that’s a lot more than the 3% they tell us are leaving. Sure they’ll attract the very young inexperienced crew but what’s the point if they circulate out again when they get a few hours and are marketable?? |
The hold file at QF is out to 18 months now. A lot can happen in that time.
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Jetstar oz and nz air nz virgin all looking The money in HK just isn’t enough anymore. The nett income is worse after monthly costs than almost anywhere. And with conditions changing every year along with a lying company who constantly attack staff there just isn’t any stability at all. Ask anyone here if they’re better off than when they joined.. it’s a near vertical reduction in contracts. When you look back in 10 years don’t say you weren’t warned. |
The goal is obviously to attempt to feed as many people as possible in under POS 18 while retaining enough people such that the place can still operate in the mean time. Using POS 18 as a baseline and essentially having frozen or steadily declining conditions for the more experienced people it needs (under current COS) until it builds up enough qualified staffing under the new terms. IF this can be done. For experienced/qualified folks here (older folks riding it out until retirement, younger to mid-age folks who will be continuing in the industry looking for a new job they haven't found yet, and younger folks too dumb to realize they need to be looking for a new job), they'll face contract attrition via inflation and whatever impositions can be gotten away with while still staving off a mass exodus. Or at least a bigger mass exodus than they can lie about to their bosses and get away with.
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The QF hold file may be out to 18mths for some, but with the QF stated and vigorously supported diversity and inclusion policies, some prospective talent will be hired before others! |
Ineffective in contract negotiations. Would it be better if the HKAOA changed it's focus and became an active employment agency for CX pilots looking to leave. Office staff could assist with applications and CV writing/printing and this new agency could offer airlines entire crews as required. Much better use of the monthly dues than the farce of negotiating when hopelessly out matched.
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Originally Posted by unitedabx
(Post 10256089)
Ineffective in contract negotiations. Would it be better if the HKAOA changed it's focus and became an active employment agency for CX pilots looking to leave. Office staff could assist with applications and CV writing/printing and this new agency could offer airlines entire crews as required. Much better use of the monthly dues than the farce of negotiating when hopelessly out matched.
But that wouldn't be in good faith 😂 and that would make Cathay unhappy the union wouldn't dare do that to cx |
Originally Posted by Avinthenews
(Post 10256098)
But that wouldn't be in good faith 😂 and that would make Cathay unhappy the union wouldn't dare do that to cx
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