Question for management? If in an outport, how is someone realistically supposed to get to see a Dr the very same day? Not likely. Further, where do I submit the bill for this, to be 100% recompensed? If CX isn't intending on paying, they can't expect or demand that we incur a cost on their behalf. Further, what about the issue of discrimination between pilots in different ports? All these questions are also obviously the remit of the AOA. Awaiting answers from both parties.

Mole,

You have worldwide medical cover so your outport doctor's visit is 100% covered. I have submitted many claims and they have always been paid, albeit at the usual snails pace of CX admin. If you cant get into a walk-in clinic then I suggest you go to the ER, even for a common cold, they will fit you in when they can. ER visits to foreigners are typically at least 5 times the cost of a walk-in clinic, another own-goal for CX and their misguided policies.

Dilbert, you would be happy to sit in ER on your time off with gastro? Everyone knows some common sickness problem disappear in 24hrs so why put yourself through such pain and inconvenience.

You got it all wrong. Just go to the Doc for 1 day sick leave, then return to Doc 7 times just to be safe. CX is so concerned for your health that they want you to go to the doctor more than ever before

I for one wont be going to ER or the Doctor. If I am sick, they can come to me. I don't give a rat's arse about the expense, I will claim that against the Company.

This policy is a breach of the HKG Privacy laws. Details of sickness only need to shared with Avmed. Kiwis tell me that sick notes in NZ are not required to include details of the illness. These details are private between the patient and the Doctor and need not be shared with the employer.

If the company wants to address the sick rate they need to address morale and fatigue.

As Chief of the Army High Command, Hammerstein-Equord oversaw the composition of the German manual on military unit command (Truppenführung), dated 17 October 1933.

He is quoted as originating a special classification scheme for his men:

I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent -- their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy -- they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent -- he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief.

Vote early and vote often for the DFO's of your choice going back to...say...1985.

I predict (and based on many years of evidence) that the current management will drive the last nail into the coffin of the "expat" career at CX. This airline assumed it's long decline towards oblivion starting in 1994, and we are now at the point that the ship is screaming "Terrain,Terrain,Pull Up, Pull Up". Unfortunately, the Captain has selected V/S, 4000' down, and pushed the thrust levers to the stops. Anyone who thinks this is recoverable is deluded at best. The only place for any of us now is either retirement, or finding a place with a proper first world carrier, which is obligated to follow legal norms, is not racially divided and cannot undermine you by hiring from any third world , low cost country at any time they please. Anyone who is not actively seeking an escape from this train wreck will deserve the destruction of their career that will surely come. The last fleeting moments of escape are upon all of us.

7 always was a lucky number !

It will become even more important for crew to act as real professionals. If the roster is unsafe due to fatigue:

1. Email head of Crew Resources (the man who never replies to questions on yammar) raising your concerns. Copy in Nina.
2. If the roster isn't changed and at any stage you can't fly it safely, decline the duty and file an ASR-F

PS Don't plan on using Controlled Rest to get the job done.

Want respect? Act like a professional pilot.

Already happened in Engineering/ IT/ Medical etc. But without seniority, those professions find it easier to walk.

This intimidation policy must be resisted. As the company can't do much about refusing a duty due fatigue they are trying to muscle us on 'sickness', as too many of us report sick rather than go through the process of ASR-F. With the unworkable patterns being generated by the CMP (take a look at the Airbus proposed patterns) we must grow a pair and refuse to work any unsafe patterns and file an ASR-F.

It was the levels of fatigue reported via ASR-F which prevented HKCAD from approving the company's request to increase flight hours to 1000, and fatigue is grossly under reported.

ASR-F's will be common in a very short time. Oh, and i'll call unfit anytime I feel like it, are we clear CP?