And the reason the cabin crew get 48 hours is that ISD knows they wouldn't find anyone to do that flight if the girls got the same duty/rest config that we do.

Yet we continue to show up and fly the goddamn roster.

We truly are our own enemies.

If you want the sweet, sweet T&C the cabin crew get - learn an Asian language fluently and apply. Or negotiate better.

Free hills, We should not need to apply for the flight attendant job to expect to be treated equally...should we? And we should not expect to be endlessly singled out for exclusion when such things as discretionary bonuses are awarded...should we?

It goes without saying that it is time we negotiate better.

The CC could say the same about HKAPA, or school allowances - they shouldn't have to apply to be pilots to expect to be treated equally either... :)

back to the GH letter. I agree there should be give and take. CX must give, and the pilots take. Or the exodus will continue

Freehills, that’s exactly what management have argued since commitment days...:ugh:

honestly, the reason the cabin crew get all those is because they are willing to fight for their 'roster practices'....yes they have their equivalent of roster industrial agreement with the company, and they are willing to go all out to protect that agreement every time when the company tries anything fishy... rmb the sit out at the airport/cx carpark few years ago? that started when the company tried to f... with their roster practices, and they are willing to put on a gigantic show at the airport arrival hall, car park, causing the company to lock out the cabin crew who weren't working those days with JLLS security staff outside the crew channel, yes the company was that scared..... but what did we do when our roster practices was attacked, even under the current industry hype, we are still doing not really a lot....

why do people keep insisting that the cabin crew get good rosters because of industrial pressure? Last strike they were on was 1992 or 1993 I think.

To misquote Bill Clinton - "it's the sickness rate stupid"

They simply call in sick - they called in sick for long day turnarounds so now they get paid for them. They called in sick for patterns with low allowances so now they get longer patterns.


All we need do is follow their example as OK4wire has already pointed out

the cabin crew fight for their COS and good for them for doing so , Difference is they have a lot of public support , so the company has to be careful that they are not seen to be beating up pretty young things .
The company has cleverly painted us as overpaid expats who always complain about everything .
What we need to do is bite the bullet and make a statement . , We should have done it in 99 , we didn’t, and have suffered the consequences ever since . Difference is there wasn’t a pilot shortage back then , that has changed a lot in recent times , more and more pilots are leaving , there are good paying jobs everywhere , less and less pilots are choosing Cathay which is excacurbating the crewing problems for the company .
If you aren’t prepared to fight for your COS expect them to be eroded . I think that it was Ed Rottington who said the company would continue to reduce pilot benefits until they met resistance .
There has never been a better time to make a statement you just need the courage to do so

Pppffffttttt! Like that is ever going to happen. All pilots are spineless and look out for number one only. They will never consider anyone else regardless if they stand to gain or not.... We are the biggest bunch of girls ever... Maybe we should all have an Instagram account and masturbate our egos and whinge about how hard done by we are that our mates won't do the fighting for us.... I am ashamed to say it, but the pilots at CX are f@#$&d at standing up for them selves. Just go on writing ASRF's because they really do work ( sarcasm!). Just give up trying to motivate cohesiveness. Go to work when you have to. Go sick when you need to. Go somewhere else if you can't stand it, because ain't nothing going to change around here... Not for the better as far as your concerned.

Sadly, RAT is correct. Considering that there are certain individuals (from bases) that are doing STC upgrades tells you all you need to know about the "character" of our group. Having said that, the circumstances are still working in our favour as the resignation rate is corroding the airline from the inside out. Still, it disgusts me that there are a few people who will undermine everyone else's sacrifice and commitment. The "Prancing Carrot" as one example, and the above mentioned self-serving individuals doing their upgrades. Cowards, immoral and characterless individuals. One and all. (the pathetic thing is that they are only serving to undermine their own conditions as well). Glad i'm leaving soon.

Ah, what's the use, right?
Just because there are a few spineless among us, doesn't mean that goes for the rest.
To the last two posters, such resignation...chin up fellas, that's not the attitude that won the battle for Britain!

Not to worry, not defeated. In fact, I am focused on causing maximum aggravation to the company. The only small consolation left now. Still, am enjoying every moment of it.

As one thankfully long retired from the industry, how disappointing it is to witness the decline and seemingly inevitable and inexorable descent into oblivion, of what was once the airline employer of choice for the ambitious and high achieving aviator.

Even more disturbing is that this decline is being aided and abetted by a cell of self-serving “kapos” of the shameless “prancing carrot” variety. Such venal and contemptible behaviour now seems to be the example set for certain newly hired tone-deaf, instagram addicted, terminally conceited individuals, whose nauseating self-absorption and narcissism trumps all else.

Important lesson for the white-anters, one invariably reaps what one sows.

Totally agree!!! You will always have a few that turn and run at the first sign of a fight. That doesn’t mean the rest of us won’t band together and defeat the enemy. I think the vast majority of us are strangling the Company with their own ties. Just keep up the pressure... Market forces are on our side.

It's not that I am turning and running. I am just a realist of the actual situation we are up against. Yeah sure your 4 mates are all United until one gets pin pointed and watch the other 3 run for their mortgages and kids education allowance!

It's not like the scene in "the right stuff" where the pilots all banded together, nope, it's as self serving as the managers eroding your conditions.

I will only believe we are all United when everyone including trainers and based guys all make the same unified stand.... But sadly that will never happen, if it did, you could realistically see this whole bad situation would be reversed immediately... Not years of eventual market pressure gradually raising the terms and conditions and strangling the managers with their own ties. Nothing will get better soon. All we will see is change and not for the better especially while pilots are all so spineless and fractured from realising as a group that we are or own worse enemy. Sadly this is the reality. Forget the pipe dream of unity because that was lost with the 49ers!

Ya....unfortunately that all might be true.

The 'fuel hedge' IMHO was always the reddest of red herrings. I guess there's a pun in there somewhere.

Unfortunately, THIS time there actually were other carriers to come along. And real competition for everything (many of whom realized crew costs were pretty low combined with the opportunities and actual market). Combine this with the fact when you look at the big picture that a US based Spirit pilot has better pay, travel benefits, and working conditions than most of the senior FO's here and you can see where this is going.

So the net result is the management wayyyyyyyyy overplayed their hand (and continues to do so) -- 'managing' only to alienate the folks they most need at the time they most need them. And at the end of the day with the way they've been going stands an excellent chance of finding themselves trying to sell a runout redneck beer label to whatever sucker might buy it.

Good luck with that.