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Qantas to set up its own pilot training academy
Cathay Pacific has responded.
"We are surprised that our Oneworld partner is taking this unnecessary action. It is widely known that Qantas already has a pilot training facility, which is located at 8 Scenic Road, HKIA. Cathay Training Captains are second to none and if anyone has any doubts, they only need to ask a Cathay Training Captain to have the record set straight. Cathay Pacific has proudly provided a large number of pilots to Qantas in recent months and could easily provide another 100 immediately. Our Management are shortly entering talks with the AOA and considering what concessions Management is seeking, 500 additional pilots per year is easily achievable. Qantas simply doesn't need to take this action, we can train their new pilots better and cheaper than Qantas can." When asked how much Cathay charges Qantas to train all these pilots, the Cathay spokeswoman said "cannot" and blamed the AOA and then rudely engaged in a loud conversation in Cantonese on her blinged up iPhone. :hmm: |
Epic, simply epic. And the funny thing is, it might as well be a legitimate press release from the company. :D
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Amazing! Please someone post this on Scammer. Someone who has already given in their notice and doesn't give a :mad:
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QF obviously don’t read PPRUNE. Otherwise they would know that they can hire every CX/KA pilot with a pulse, and that cadets that haven’t had 5,000 hours in GA/ military are The End Of The World As We Know It, and a massive safety risk
(Given the state of GA in OZ, this looks like a very sensible idea by QF. If kids no longer are attracted by the old career path of self funded flight school/ hours building/ GA/ hope for job with mainline, then cadets are the way to go) |
Brilliant, Liam!
The "cannot!" was the cherry. 👍🏻 |
All this talk of more action less talk, still sees the absence of action and the result is, well, more talk. Is it only me that finds this ironic?
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Lmao. Well done.
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Originally Posted by RAT Management
(Post 10060963)
All this talk of more action less talk, still sees the absence of action and the result is, well, more talk. Is it only me that finds this ironic?
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Management Structure
It's also been rumoured that a CX employee, now in a "Senior Leadership" position, has been head hunted to manage this entity. It's reported he has much experience in this area as he is currently a Leader at the CX training Facility, has previously held very "high" leadership positions at CX and as well was a "TOP" leader in the Australian CASA. As QF has indicated, he's perfectly suited to oversee the development of the new entity and as soon as he is finished with his current "project" at CX can move directly onto the QF payroll. It's rumoured from other sources a large "signing bonus" "may" have been paid perhaps even in late 2017.
Also rumoured his past experience included assisting and supervising 49 other CX employees at finding work in other locations making him exceptionally well suited for his rumoured new position.. |
ROTFLMAO :D
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But wait... there's more... the DFO strikes back.
Speaking from her spectacular villa in Tuscany, the DFO confirmed that her villa was available for rent on the 6 weeks of the year she did not use the property.
When challenged with the suggestion that Cathay was becoming a training airline for Qantas, she robustly replied, “It is not just Qantas, but UPS, Fedex, Jet 2, AirNZ, any airline really.” She rejected the rumour that 30 pilots had already joined Qantas this year and said “Cathay pilots would not join Qantas as they are qualified on the A50, which Qantas does not operate”. She went on to say that, “once our brushwingers wear their new equallettes and fly out jets, which are far bigger and shinier than Qantas’s jets, they remain loyal to us. Besides, we have most of them financially bonded and they are on South African passports, they are going nowhere.” At this point the GMF, himself a South African, said, “Look, I have no opinion on anything, I am just here to see how far I can climb the greasy management totem pole”. Another Cathay manager, Mr Yosef Bin Had, said. "I spent many years in the Cathay Fuel Hedging Team and now that I am a pilot manager, I stake my reputation on fact that there is not a pilot shortage. Qantas are over-reacting. I understand markets and the time is right to cut pilots' salaries". A HKAOA representative, who referred to himself as El Presiligo, agreed to speak on strict anonymity and said that he was still shocked that HPE did not deliver concessions to the Company. He rejected the thought of escalating Industrial Action as he felt all issues could be resolved by interpretive dance. He went on to say, “Management are very vulnerable to a dance-off as they recently lost one of their best dancers, particularly in the shirtless category. The pilots are not confrontational, they just want to make concessions to get rid of the Training Ban, so I can return to Training and perhaps pick up a job in the Fleet Office and be with all my friends, who let me call them by their first names." Qantas reported an interim record profit today and their shares are trading near peak whilst Cathay shares languish near their base. |
Confirmation
Regarding the above, Mr Yosef Bin Had's previous protege, Assistant to the Leader in Fuel Hedging Mr. Hon Loo Sing Streek (recruited from Beijing
‘s SingKing prefecture) agreed with Bin Had's comments. He has since accepted another internal position as Leader Brand Disenfranchisement. |
Outstanding, Liam.
When this :mad: folds, you'll have another career lined up! |
Plenty of CX second officers went to QF in the late 1990s. Expect plenty of resignations at the more junior end as they are less established in HKG and are young enough for a 15 year climb up the seniority list.
Alliance in Brisbane are looking for F100 pilots if anyone wants a “beer money” job. |
Yet the shares keep inching up.
How odd? |
Question - When were the jets ever “shiny”?
Even the new airplanes quickly look old at CX due to the filthy air in HK, lack of exterior washes, and shoddy maintenance which rapidly has them looking haggard with wrong color parts and/or missing pieces due to deferral. Can’t wait for summer, bet CX has the whole APU fleet all ginned up with spares so we don’t have to sit in sweltering heat waiting for Chinese ATC to figure out that putting the entire nation’s flights on the same five airways makes things unnecessarily congested. The PLAAF needs the rest, you see... Otherwise, the Yanks might kick their arses. Oh wait, that’s a certainty anyways and the US doesn’t even have to shutter 90% of the nation’s airspace to train. |
It's also been rumoured that a CX employee, now in a "Senior Leadership" position, has been head hunted to manage this entity. It's reported he has much experience in this area as he is currently a Leader at the CX training Facility, has previously held very "high" leadership positions at CX and as well was a "TOP" leader in the Australian CASA. As QF has indicated, he's perfectly suited to oversee the development of the new entity and as soon as he is finished with his current "project" at CX can move directly onto the QF payroll. It's rumoured from other sources a large "signing bonus" "may" have been paid perhaps even in late 2017. Also rumoured his past experience included assisting and supervising 49 other CX employees at finding work in other locations making him exceptionally well suited for his rumoured new position.. |
Liam Gallagher
LMAO its not Tuscany, its Montone! :cool: |
And theFat Lady IS Singing
Yup, someone please play Tap's..
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Not much point having a benefits centre there when the benefits have also left the building..
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Ah, very true, Mr Did.
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If your’re here for the benefits you’re probably in the wrong job!
Isn’t that what the DFO wrote? I didn’t foresee that meaning NO benefits! |
QF recently interviewed 40 CX pilots, accepted 25.
But the CX package is highly competitive. We all know that one hires consultants that write reports to support the line taken by their paymaster. We also all know that the CX pay is behind on the bases and far behind in HKG. |
The more the DFO insists that Rome isn't burning, the more smoke fills up the room. CX is about to hit the vanishing point, where nothing will change the resulting outcome of their failed policies. The resignations are hitting critical mass, where the momentum built up is unstoppable. AT has come out and told everyone that the package isn't changing (in fact, she believes its' just GREAT!!). Most of us now know that our future's (futures that include a decent house and a rules based career) lie elsewhere, and we all want to be higher up that next seniority list than the other guy. Well done AT, I hope Qantas is paying you another undeserved bonus due to your excellent work in providing them trained pilots. If fact, you will soon have most of the worlds major airlines thanking you for helping them solve their own pilot shortages. Epic job, well done :ok:
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btw, over 250 CX pilots in the QF pipeline already, with more being added weekly.
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Nero used to force people to sit and watch his plays ( written and played by him). Sometimes play last 3 straight days through the night
AT must be a direct descendant of Nero! |
Well, she does bear a passing resemblance...especially in a toga :eek:
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This thread is starting to look remarkably similar to one that’s running on Air Niugini at the moment.
https://www.pprune.org/australia-new...nk-png-51.html |
Knowing how the Chinese fly, would you want commercial and militarily mixing over most of China?
No thanks. The congested air routes are to keep them from crashing into you. It’s also much simpler for their world class ATC to operate. |
Originally Posted by Trafalgar
(Post 10062386)
Well, she does bear a passing resemblance...especially in a toga :eek:
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This from QF today. The Qantas Group has today confirmed it will open its Pilot Academy across two locations in regional Australia to meet anticipated demand. The Academy is part of the Qantas Group’s plans to build a long-term talent pipeline for its airlines and the broader industry to meet the increasing need for skilled aviators. Boeing’s latest estimates show that 790,000 more pilots will be required globally over the next 20 years, around one third of them in Asia Pacific. Plans for the Qantas Group Pilot Academy were announced in February this year and it’s expected the first site will be operational during 2019. Nine regional cities across Australia – Alice Springs, Bendigo, Busselton, Dubbo, Launceston, Mackay, Tamworth, Toowoomba and Wagga Wagga – have been shortlisted. A decision on both sites will be announced in coming weeks. Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce said that initial scoping had shown that two locations would be needed to reach the Academy’s potential. “We’re aiming to train up to 100 pilots in year one but we expect this to grow to as many as 500 a year and that can only be achieved if we have more than one location,” Mr Joyce said. “Adding up to 250 students plus instructors and support staff to any of these places needs the right infrastructure at airports, but also in the towns themselves. “The Academy represents a commercial opportunity for Qantas, but it’s also important for the future of Australian aviation. We expect that pilots completing their training with the Academy could fly for other airlines, the defence force or services like the Royal Flying Doctors.” Mr Joyce said the Qantas team involved in selecting the locations had been impressed at the community support for the investment across Australia. “Our team has travelled across the country to meet with community leaders, airport operators and local suppliers in each of the nine shortlisted locations,” Mr Joyce said. “We’ve been really impressed with the enthusiasm from each of the shortlisted cities. It’s been fantastic. And it’s reflected in the levels of support put forward by governments, councils and the private sector. There’s a lot of excitement about using the Academy to leverage more jobs and investment for the region. We really appreciate the time and effort they’ve put in to the bids.” The Academy’s second site is expected to be operational in 2020. The total initial investment of $20 million is unchanged, reflecting the levels of third party support. Almost 17,000 people have so far registered their interest in the Academy via qantas.com/pilotacademy. The national carrier is encouraging more women to consider a career in aviation, which globally stands at just three per cent. To date, around 16 per cent of people registering interest in the Academy are female. |
There is no way that Qantas needs 500 pilots a year. They are going to do what some unscrupulous European airlines did in the. 90’s. Th EY will train a lot of pilots, get them to pay for their training and make a profit, while leaving young kids with no flying job and a massive student loan! |
Does anyone know where the instructors to train these students will come from? |
Originally Posted by AnnKathrin.student
(Post 10231125)
Does anyone know where the instructors to train these students will come from? |
There are a few ex FTA instructors now at CX who would probably like to go back provided they were guaranteed a spot and seniority at QF Mainline after a couple of years. At least in Australia QF would have to honour the contract.
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Originally Posted by Near Miss
(Post 10232402)
There are a few ex FTA instructors now at CX who would probably like to go back provided they were guaranteed a spot and seniority at QF Mainline after a couple of years. At least in Australia QF would have to honour the contract.
Relying on the representatives of organised labour to address these matters is naive! All airline management is much the same with a few notable exceptions. This is not to detract from the pond scum that CX management are, but QF management spawn in the same pond So caveat emptor applies when dealing with any 'offer' |
Originally Posted by Near Miss
(Post 10232402)
There are a few ex FTA instructors now at CX who would probably like to go back provided they were guaranteed a spot and seniority at QF Mainline after a couple of years.
Why would anyone want to do that ? |
If it means getting out of CX, especially after what they did to the FTA instructors, and joining an airline in a first world country, with a higher QOL, then yes.
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Would they pay back the HKD1 million they took in compensation ?
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No. They deserve every penny for the misery and stress CX put them through |
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