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OK4Wire 23rd Feb 2018 01:42

Ah, very true, Mr Did.

Hugo Peroni the IV 23rd Feb 2018 02:25

If your’re here for the benefits you’re probably in the wrong job!

Isn’t that what the DFO wrote? I didn’t foresee that meaning NO benefits!

controlledrest 23rd Feb 2018 02:38

QF recently interviewed 40 CX pilots, accepted 25.

But the CX package is highly competitive. We all know that one hires consultants that write reports to support the line taken by their paymaster. We also all know that the CX pay is behind on the bases and far behind in HKG.

Air Profit 23rd Feb 2018 05:26

The more the DFO insists that Rome isn't burning, the more smoke fills up the room. CX is about to hit the vanishing point, where nothing will change the resulting outcome of their failed policies. The resignations are hitting critical mass, where the momentum built up is unstoppable. AT has come out and told everyone that the package isn't changing (in fact, she believes its' just GREAT!!). Most of us now know that our future's (futures that include a decent house and a rules based career) lie elsewhere, and we all want to be higher up that next seniority list than the other guy. Well done AT, I hope Qantas is paying you another undeserved bonus due to your excellent work in providing them trained pilots. If fact, you will soon have most of the worlds major airlines thanking you for helping them solve their own pilot shortages. Epic job, well done :ok:

Air Profit 23rd Feb 2018 05:28

btw, over 250 CX pilots in the QF pipeline already, with more being added weekly.

poydras 23rd Feb 2018 06:58

Nero used to force people to sit and watch his plays ( written and played by him). Sometimes play last 3 straight days through the night
AT must be a direct descendant of Nero!

Trafalgar 23rd Feb 2018 08:06

Well, she does bear a passing resemblance...especially in a toga :eek:

krismiler 23rd Feb 2018 09:27

This thread is starting to look remarkably similar to one that’s running on Air Niugini at the moment.

https://www.pprune.org/australia-new...nk-png-51.html

The Green Goblin 23rd Feb 2018 23:28

Knowing how the Chinese fly, would you want commercial and militarily mixing over most of China?

No thanks. The congested air routes are to keep them from crashing into you.

It’s also much simpler for their world class ATC to operate.

Captain Dart 24th Feb 2018 00:18


Originally Posted by Trafalgar (Post 10062386)
Well, she does bear a passing resemblance...especially in a toga :eek:

The dimensionally-challenged manager from 'Thomas the Tank Engine' would also be an option.

Keg 22nd Aug 2018 23:10

This from QF today.


The Qantas Group has today confirmed it will open its Pilot Academy across two locations in regional Australia to meet anticipated demand.

The Academy is part of the Qantas Group’s plans to build a long-term talent pipeline for its airlines and the broader industry to meet the increasing need for skilled aviators. Boeing’s latest estimates show that 790,000 more pilots will be required globally over the next 20 years, around one third of them in Asia Pacific.

Plans for the Qantas Group Pilot Academy were announced in February this year and it’s expected the first site will be operational during 2019. Nine regional cities across Australia – Alice Springs, Bendigo, Busselton, Dubbo, Launceston, Mackay, Tamworth, Toowoomba and Wagga Wagga – have been shortlisted. A decision on both sites will be announced in coming weeks.

Qantas Group CEO Alan Joyce said that initial scoping had shown that two locations would be needed to reach the Academy’s potential.

“We’re aiming to train up to 100 pilots in year one but we expect this to grow to as many as 500 a year and that can only be achieved if we have more than one location,” Mr Joyce said.

“Adding up to 250 students plus instructors and support staff to any of these places needs the right infrastructure at airports, but also in the towns themselves.

“The Academy represents a commercial opportunity for Qantas, but it’s also important for the future of Australian aviation. We expect that pilots completing their training with the Academy could fly for other airlines, the defence force or services like the Royal Flying Doctors.”

Mr Joyce said the Qantas team involved in selecting the locations had been impressed at the community support for the investment across Australia.

“Our team has travelled across the country to meet with community leaders, airport operators and local suppliers in each of the nine shortlisted locations,” Mr Joyce said.

“We’ve been really impressed with the enthusiasm from each of the shortlisted cities. It’s been fantastic. And it’s reflected in the levels of support put forward by governments, councils and the private sector. There’s a lot of excitement about using the Academy to leverage more jobs and investment for the region. We really appreciate the time and effort they’ve put in to the bids.”

The Academy’s second site is expected to be operational in 2020. The total initial investment of $20 million is unchanged, reflecting the levels of third party support.

Almost 17,000 people have so far registered their interest in the Academy via qantas.com/pilotacademy.

The national carrier is encouraging more women to consider a career in aviation, which globally stands at just three per cent. To date, around 16 per cent of people registering interest in the Academy are female.


Frogman1484 23rd Aug 2018 00:36

There is no way that Qantas needs 500 pilots a year.
They are going to do what some unscrupulous European airlines did in the. 90’s. Th EY will train a lot of pilots, get them to pay for their training and make a profit, while leaving young kids with no flying job and a massive student loan!

AnnKathrin.student 23rd Aug 2018 01:05

Does anyone know where the instructors to train these students will come from?

bafanguy 24th Aug 2018 14:33


Originally Posted by AnnKathrin.student (Post 10231125)
Does anyone know where the instructors to train these students will come from?

Excellent and germane question !

Near Miss 24th Aug 2018 15:49

There are a few ex FTA instructors now at CX who would probably like to go back provided they were guaranteed a spot and seniority at QF Mainline after a couple of years. At least in Australia QF would have to honour the contract.

Rated De 24th Aug 2018 21:15


Originally Posted by Near Miss (Post 10232402)
There are a few ex FTA instructors now at CX who would probably like to go back provided they were guaranteed a spot and seniority at QF Mainline after a couple of years. At least in Australia QF would have to honour the contract.

From sources in QF, do not be surprised but regular breaches of the contract occur, from not repaying days off, to the current sick leave problem. Like most of the corporate world their approach is that things are only illegal when successfully challenged.
Relying on the representatives of organised labour to address these matters is naive!

All airline management is much the same with a few notable exceptions.
This is not to detract from the pond scum that CX management are, but QF management spawn in the same pond

So caveat emptor applies when dealing with any 'offer'

bafanguy 24th Aug 2018 21:36


Originally Posted by Near Miss (Post 10232402)
There are a few ex FTA instructors now at CX who would probably like to go back provided they were guaranteed a spot and seniority at QF Mainline after a couple of years.

Not sure I understand. Are you saying there are people at CX mainline who'd like to go back and instruct rather than stay at mainline if they can come back to mainline at some future point ?

Why would anyone want to do that ?

Near Miss 25th Aug 2018 03:09

If it means getting out of CX, especially after what they did to the FTA instructors, and joining an airline in a first world country, with a higher QOL, then yes.

unitedabx 25th Aug 2018 09:00

Would they pay back the HKD1 million they took in compensation ?

mngmt mole 25th Aug 2018 16:38

No. They deserve every penny for the misery and stress CX put them through


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