Where would KA be without CX aircraft, CX providing the overheads, CX slots, CX marketing/network, CX routes ?

Who exactly will be paying for the new narrow bodies ?

KA didn’t expanded on its on merit, it expanded by CX providing the equipment, routes, slots, network, and money.

If you want to be on your own, don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

When KA, with their stated training surplus, are doing all CN upgrades for CX next year it will solve both the KA CN shortage and the training difficulties at CX. Then we will have CX captains on CX COS flying KA aircraft, just as the precedent has been set with the JFO upgrades. Yet again TTW for CX! If I was a KA FO that was purposely delaying command, I would be in the office ASAP and getting on a course!

Nothing like a bit of pilot unity to scare management.
Another FH thread descends into farce.

Truly amazing fellas. The company is after us and yet here we are fighting amongst one another. It's no wonder the company isn't afraid of pursuing cuts because they know we will sell each other out without hesitation. There is no KA pilots vs CX pilots, its pilots vs the company. Stop acting like children and pull it together.

Exactly. This thread is sounding like something from the life of Brian with the Peoples Front of Judea hating the Judean People's Front more than the Romans.


There is of course the possibility there are some Romans on this thread trying to divide and conquer!

....well, AT does have a house in Italy....

As a long time CX pilot...I can remember when we were all extrembly proud of having landed a job at CX....a real feather in your cap experience. We were damn proud and very arrogant, I admit it. We used to walk past pilots from rival airlines with such pride. No more. I walked past a group of pilots from my home country’s airline the other day, and just hung my head.

Dragon vs CX....enough with the seniority list squabbles...these days I’d rather be a Dragon pilot. They still have their dignity.

Genuinely amazed by this comment. Cathay bought Ka to curb its expansion plans, as they would have competed directly with CX. Ironically by stopping KA expanding, it allowed HKA to do it instead.

The KA of 2006 had Jumbos on order, plans to go to Sydney, and real expansion plans way beyond what we have seen in the last 12 years. time to command was 2-3 years, we had slots we had orders we had growth. 10 years of Cathay ownership resulted in a new paint job. We went backwards for the best part of the decade, we are only now just starting to see comparable growth to how it was in 2006.

And you’d be welcome for behaving like a good bloke 👍

There is honestly no point in the debate on if/or seniority merger if we all haven’t learnt yet the company will impose what it wants irrespective of the pilots from either side. Most likely they will do what causes the most animosity between the two groups just to ensure we continue to fight amongst ourselves. They have done divide and conquer all this time they not going to drop the ball this time.

Getting back to topic ...
 

Interesting shot across the bow by DO last week - obviously under the pump to identify savings from Flight Ops, but limiting the options to non-contractual variations. As if we can be flogged any harder!
Personally, I think all this hand-wringing is overblown; screw with the B-scale contracts and there are enough "mad Max" crazy capts to shut the operation down.
You don't give up 20 years of fighting for improvements just like that! The DPA is keeping its powder dry - no point jumping at shadows - but if push comes to shove I dont think Kitty City appreciates the levels of antipathy and loathing.

Don't poke the ants' nest!

Ah well, someone will be pleased"

SCMP

Hong Kong Express banned from adding new aircraft, flights or destinations | South China Morning Post

Oh thats a master stroke, they are cancelling their own flights because they haven't got the crew, so CAD bans them from expanding. Awesome response.