Cathay shuts down roadshow.
 

Longreach aviation roadshow cancelled due to legal advice!

One day before the event ffs

http://www.longreachchina.com/roadsh...-registration/

Repost from another thread:

This is the sort of nefarious behaviour that I love to see being committed by CX management. They think they are being 'clever', but all they do is help reinforce what a corrupted, venal and ultimately doomed group of losers they really are. In a proper first world environment (hello HK Govt, you are anything but), this sort of bs could not happen. The only way CX can function is in this third world polluted hellhole where the rule of law is a joke at best. That is why the only threat to conditions is being made against HK pilots, and not those on bases. HK is the only place their tactics have a hope of working without transgressing every labour law worth the name. In any event, Longreach will use this to their advantage, as a gentle reminder to all who they speak to of the facts of life in HK , which will only help their case of attracting many more CX/KA pilots. No matter what tactics CX employs, their panic is evident, and the exodus begins. This has just shown how panicked they really are. Anna and Rupert have made yet another strategic blunder.

Cathay has just blinked, they are panicking that the senior pilots do leave en mass. The do not have the training capacity to train and they know they will park jets if we leave. This also tells you that they cannot give you a sign or get fired letter, as they cannot afford to lose their crews.
It would be interesting to find out what legal action they threatened Longreach with.

Brilliant move. TTW at its very best.

Im thinking this strategery came from the cunning fuel hedge team.

I can't wait to see what's next.

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...compliments SCMP... appropriate ... :p

Don't know whether to laugh or cry. Does CX management seriously think this will be a POSITIVE for them? All it does is reinforce in everyone's mind what a malicious group they work for. Another impetus to make the break and find a better company to dedicate a career towards. A better confirmation of the resignation rate spiraling out of control I would be challenged to find. And Anna, have you not heard of the INTERNET? You know, the medium that Longreach can happily correspond all day every day with your pilots. Unbelievable. Reminds me of the buggy whip salesmen when the car started to appear... :ooh:

I up vote Dan's comment. AOA, there is NO need to negotiate anything, especially not concessions. Let them cut, and see how that only accelerates the exodus from CX. I'm ok with that. Don't play the game by their rules.

Agreed. Anna, go ahead and try cutting my housing and pension. You WILL be having another resignation on your Training Managers desk. I'm not staying in HK without the package I was lured to HK on. Anything less and i'm gone. Not a bluff, not negotiable. I've already made up my mind. Just waiting for you to jump off that cliff once and for all. The fact that nowhere in any of your rhetoric is there mention of YOU and your fellow managers taking the first cuts says everything about your integrity that needs saying. I have to wonder what it is like being someone without morals, conscience or integrity? All I see are the results. As for the Longreach issue: you people are pathetic, and your panic is evident, and palpable.

I think that the Managing Director of Longreach was probably threatened with termination for 'acting against the best interests of CX'. He is a CX pilot.

I don't understand. CX has be 'best' package in the industry, so why would it matter if a recruitment company had a road show? Surely CX is happy to have their package stand on it's merits. sarc

Would he let that be worrying him?
With several hundred +++ And the the fact the event was over subscribed surely he would be would be thinking about the big picture here.....

And as for the BA and Qantas roadshows are they off now as well?

Just another sign of abject panic. Same as with the "Drinks for 'Cargo' Pilots". Same as with the meet and greet for Trainers. It all clearly demonstrates that our management are crap@ing themselves. They thought they would have a go, and now it has triggered an armageddon in their crew retention numbers. The floodgates have just cracked open and nothing will stop the exodus. Too many CX crew have concluded that there is NO hope of a career in HK. They are making plans to secure a seniority number elsewhere. Nice one Anna.

Emirates also considering a roadshow to HK. Not a good option for all, but certainly would be for some. Right time, right place, right move.

I have a feeling it has something to do with work visa like that Hidden Agenda case few mths ago.... Rmb few months ago, Hidden Agenda - a mini concert hosting company, was shut down because the gov claimed they were hosting concerts - commercial events, in non-approved location which was against the use of building and the performers have no valid work visa and were subsequently arrested by immigration?

That will be easy to get around (although personally I suspect CX has a hand in this). Just hire some HK residents to manage the event. Sorted.

Certainly agree with the part in red, they were probably the one who called Immi.....

It can be dealt with easily but probably not when it gets shut down at the last minute, the person who speaks on stage will just likely to be similar to a performer, someone who needs a work visa to be safe as this event is kinda 'business' related, and how fast the hk gov can do things when it comes to last minute stuff is something you and I both know;)

Have the roadshow in Macau.
It's only an hour ferry ride away. Wouldn't be that inconvenient would it??

To quote from the CX DFO

"If you're only here for the benefits, there are better places to be."

As you desperately want the expensive, greedy pilots to leave.

If you want us to go so badly, why cancel the Longreach Roadshow?

The pathetic, and very telling part of that quote from Anna is that SHE is here for the pay and benefits, she just doesn't want anyone else to have the same. Hypocrite of the highest order. :yuk:

The benefits are essential. If it weren't for the housing, medical and education benefits it would be impossible to stay here. Cut any of those and we all need to recalculate. A 10% cut might be manageable if there were genuine reasons for it but the manner in which it is being imposed and so poorly managed will cause far more to leave than if it were done in a mature and collaborative way.

If CX had anything to do with this then it's laughable. You can't force people to stay but you can persuade them, although at present they seem more hellbent on persuading pilots to leave!

Perhaps they need reacquainting with the story of The North Wind and The Sun to fill a gap in their education.

Just heard that CX is definitely behind the legal threat.
That was really dumb of them as it shows their fear of losing pilots to the chinese carriers.

How can you make a legal threat against a company advertising job vacancies? Surely this is a joke.

probably just call immigration about someone hosting a business event at an inappropriate venue without valid visa

So the agency will get the appropriate visas and hold the roadshow next month, or alternatively they will hold it in Macau.

They can always host a live event on the internet...

I recently had a long conversation with an ex MD of this outfit and he was basically non-plussed that AT was appointed. Poor Rupert was handed a turd sandwich but after his CNCo experience he should know what a ship on the reef means. As MD, he has a small window in which to act. My guess is that he will do nothing, but if he is reading this, I say “Rupert...do what you’re instincts tell you”. Not what Barnaby, Chris et al are saying.

SCMP: Meetings to poach Cathay pilots cancelled after legal warning

Meetings to tempt Cathay Pacific pilots to switch jobs cancelled after legal warning | South China Morning Post

But the important thing is that DS and the GC are still talking and playing happy families. Way to go Boys. Never mind that a guy has been dismissed on some Mickey Mouse charge and a roadshow shut down.

I heard it was something to do with operating an employment agency without a licence.

What about employing pilots without a work permit? CX has been reported to the appropriate government agencies and they do nothing.

Oval, are you insinuating that Cathay abides by the rules when it suits them and throws caution to the wind when it doesn't? Slander!

The following is lifted from comments section today's SCMP article about the roadshow being cancelled:

My red bolding, otherwise verbatim. I really could not be bothered to register to point out the irony in posting such a comment in an article about Cathay Pacific. Or to highlight its numerous court appearances on dubious corporate tactics and disregard for employment law in many countries.

"I.m._Wong 9 hours 24 min ago

Longreach Aviation, an AUSTRALIA- and Hong Kong-based company hiring for....
I am in no doubt the company is wholly run and operated by Australians. What do you expect from the descendants of the penal colonialists? Decency and honourable business dealings?"

But then again the same dipsh*t posted this as well:

"I.m._Wong 1 hour 47 sec ago

Cathay pays the bill sending their new recruits to be trained a good pilot in Australia's flying schools (now an expanding Aussie industry). When fully qualified, the stealthy Aussie come and steal the newly qualified CX pilot.
Meaning HK passengers are paying the devious Aussies twice over for the same goods, and their training schools have endless supply of HK new trainees.
Shameless!"


He could even be posting on here.

This really needs no discussion ...to all interested parties the facts surely speak for themselves.
If you intend to reside and work in Hong Kong this is a perfect example of how your rights as human beings will be treated. It's undeniable.

Pay cuts for front line staff (in this case well trained and experienced pilots; one reason why we passengers fly CX/ KA) because the management placed the wrong fuel and currency bets? Guys, get out as long as you can. If no serious management change is coming immediately, this was it for CX/ KA.

Buy the way: The loss of pilots (be it 10, 20 or 200) is one thing. But how on earth will they attract good replacement? They won't. No bus drivers, you walk. Or take a different bus!

Stealthy Aussie descendants of penal colonists! Love it! What a phrase!

Blunderbus. Correct on all counts. A striking example of the disdain for fair play that CX management have, and how you can translate that same attitude as to how they treat their employees. They could not have helped give many of us the impetus to leave CX if they had tried. Another own goal. "Time to Win".

I like the idea of running it in Macau. Perhaps those interested in joining the event can pitch in and charter a CX plane from HKG to MFM to attend if the numbers are high enough.

It'd be even better if RWY 16 is in use.
Make the 20 min trip all the more worthwhile :)

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -Gandhi



As O'Leary on bended knee is learning..

O'Leary had accused pilots of being “precious about themselves” and “full of their own self-importance”, adding: “I would challenge any pilot to explain how this is a difficult job or how it is they are overworked, or how anybody who by law can’t fly more than 18 hours a week could possibly be suffering from fatigue.”


It is only a few years ago, Joyce told Qantas pilots they were kamikazes..
his PR witch Wirth stating they wanted first class travel and massages during the 2011 dispute....

It is the IR model;denigration and derision.

Longreach are doing what professional bodies do; control supply.

Sadly to airline management with embedded adversarial IR models to them as hammers, every problem is a nail..

:ok:

This is a structural shortage not cyclical.