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cannot 24th Dec 2017 07:01

Look they screwed up for whatever reason , their procedures , fatigue , misunderstanding of ATC , who knows . The fact remains that there is a SID in place for terrain reasons . It’s totally unambiguous and very simple . If this crew were so unaware of the terrain surrounding the airport then they should not be coming to HK . Unfortunately until the findings of the report have been published we won’t know . But I see absolutely no reason to change ATC procedures for one screw up
As drop knee said we need more airmanship and situational awareness than rules

bpp 25th Dec 2017 06:29

Heard it was a new pilot and
ATC canceled Porpa speed constraint. The pilot ended up deleting the constraint from the L 1 key rather than R 1 thereby deleting Porpa altogether.

cannot 25th Dec 2017 06:51

It doesn’t matter , I have had lots of pilots make errors like that , even accidentally deleting the entire route .
As the Capt you go back to basic modes and follow the SID until you can reset the FMC . It’s not rocket science it’s a thing called airmanship .
What is needed is a pause for cross checking especially on a SID .

Airbubba 26th Dec 2017 03:04


Originally Posted by bpp (Post 10000977)
Heard it was a new pilot and
ATC canceled Porpa speed constraint. The pilot ended up deleting the constraint from the L 1 key rather than R 1 thereby deleting Porpa altogether.

That was one of my initial guesses on this thread:


Originally Posted by Airbubba (Post 9902716)
Did some finger trouble drop out PORPA and perhaps LNAV was taking them direct PORSH? :confused:


Originally Posted by cannot (Post 10000990)
It doesn’t matter , I have had lots of pilots make errors like that , even accidentally deleting the entire route .
As the Capt you go back to basic modes and follow the SID until you can reset the FMC . It’s not rocket science it’s a thing called airmanship .
What is needed is a pause for cross checking especially on a SID .

Sounds good to me. :ok:

Busbuoy 26th Dec 2017 04:44

In a modern Airbus, if the TO WYPT is deleted the A/P goes into heading mode on the current heading....what will a Boeing do? Notwithstanding the fact that airmanship dictates not turning towards terrain no matter what the A/P might want to do...


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