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plainpilot11 20th Sep 2017 19:47

Focus Night
 
Any info on the Hocus Pocus night and the line we were fed from the union on the dire straits the company is in?

cxorcist 20th Sep 2017 21:41


Originally Posted by plainpilot11 (Post 9898442)
Any info on the Hocus Pocus night and the line we were fed from the union on the dire straits the company is in?

Yep, prepare to be disappointed.

morningcoffee 20th Sep 2017 23:39

So the auditors report that the market has been ok with for 60 years has now got the ok from the AOA. Who knew?

DropKnee 21st Sep 2017 01:45


Originally Posted by plainpilot11 (Post 9898442)
Any info on the Hocus Pocus night and the line we were fed from the union on the dire straits the company is in?

Standby to get it all over your face and in your eyes.

Freehills 21st Sep 2017 02:04

Was there at least the courtesy offer of a reach around?

Farman Biplane 21st Sep 2017 02:29

Let me guess, more pie in the sky, utopian dreaming and strategic ideals about changing the company managers culture/mindset?
Meanwhile the countdown to launch has begun in the tactical arena and we haven't even amassed the troops, let alone motivated them and outlined our tactical goals!
Doomed I say,what a shame.

azhkman 21st Sep 2017 02:36

If they say dire straights, direct them here:
Income Statement: 00293 - Financial Reports for Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd - MSN Money

Net Income:
2013 = $2.6b
2014 = $3.1b
2015 = $6b
2016 = -$.6b

Where did it go?

Balance Sheet (Cash & Short Term Investments):
End of the Year 2016: $21.1b

It would be best if you demonstrate the 'impact' your ask would have on these numbers, but realistically, numbers like that, they cannot claim "Dire Straights".

RAT Management 21st Sep 2017 03:59

For the last couple of weeks you have all been well lubed by the propaganda.... So tonight I present you the ">>>>PINEAPPLE<<<<". This is the "fruit" of our efforts and guess where we want to put it?


Do you really need to go?


It aint going to be pretty! :ok:

Uberskyjockey 21st Sep 2017 11:23

Facts not Focus.
 


Many of us have been thru this sort of thing before both in this company and previous employers. The current tactics by the company are well known and rehearsed. They are not original, just outdated colonial bullying strategies, denounced by serious business practices the world over. So fear not.

What we need to do is act and act immediately.

1. The President and full Committee should offer their resignations immediately in preparation for a war council. Totally ineffective and ill equipped to negotiate the union should now employ professional negotiators to represent us.( Ryanair pilots took this action today ). Having not made a statement to date is inexcusable. And not a single disciplinary action has been taken against members ignoring the training ban.This shows weakness and poor leadership. Originally a video club and now a cheap source of loss of licence cover the HKAOA is not fit for purpose.

2. Our local pilot colleagues will not support any industrial action. So count them out.

3. The Second officers are wet behind the ears and just glad not to be bush flying in Papua. Unless someone creates an App to tell them how to protect their careers they have little idea what to do. Count them out.

4. Based pilots and KA pilots will be targeted next year if the current plans succeed. Divide and conquer. Count them out.

This leaves the HKG based pilots with 10 years or more invested in CX to do the work.

It goes without saying that the threat of any new terms will cause significant stress and warrant significant time off for every pilot affected.

A statement in the local press today, giving advance notice to the traveling public that there are very likely to be major service disruptions over the busy Christmas holidays is a given.

Captains should think long and hard before giving sectors away. Recency would then have to be rostered in the sims.

The list of positive action is endless, legal and needed NOW. The leadership so lacking from the AOA is out there, we just need to
turn the key.






VR-HFX 21st Sep 2017 12:09

Why leave all that cash on the balance sheet of a publicly listed company when with a little hedge you can move it somewhere else?

cxorcist 21st Sep 2017 12:14


Originally Posted by VR-HFX (Post 9899183)
Why leave all that cash on the balance sheet of a publicly listed company when with a little hedge you can move it somewhere else?

I'm really starting to think this is real. Where did the cash go? We need to know. Who is profiting from the calamitous fuel hedges?

Dan Winterland 21st Sep 2017 15:07

That trail is well hidden. You won't find out where the money went. And you can be sure that we won't be told.

betpump5 21st Sep 2017 17:31

I'm not being funny but if I ran a company that had p1ssed away a few billion or worse, why on earth would I show the books (uncooked or otherwise) to an financial analyst whose purpose is to see whether I'm telling porkies??

I wasn't at the Focus Night but was this elephant in the room question asked?

cxorcist 21st Sep 2017 18:02


Originally Posted by Dan Winterland (Post 9899428)
That trail is well hidden. You won't find out where the money went. And you can be sure that we won't be told.

Well hidden trail... No doubt. So is that similar to money laundering?

joblow 21st Sep 2017 20:18

Focus nights , it brings back nightmares of 1999 and the garbage that the company fed us back in those days , unfortunately the troops were not strong enough to stand up and be counted and as a result here we are again

Dragon69 21st Sep 2017 22:30


Originally Posted by joblow (Post 9899771)
unfortunately the troops were not strong enough to stand up and be counted and as a result here we are again

Judging by some of the posts on the AOA forum nothing has really changed.

I would also go as far as to say this new AoA leader is reminding me of MG.

cxorcist 22nd Sep 2017 00:58

Amen!!!

+1

Your turn STW, dispute that. I can hardly wait.

Progress Wanchai 22nd Sep 2017 01:07


Originally Posted by betpump5 (Post 9899593)
I'm not being funny but if I ran a company that had p1ssed away a few billion or worse, why on earth would I show the books (uncooked or otherwise) to an financial analyst whose purpose is to see whether I'm telling porkies??

I wasn't at the Focus Night but was this elephant in the room question asked?


Unfortunately I think the truth is more dire than some would like to believe. Hoping these muppets have the competence to pull off a major conspiracy and fraud is simply wishful thinking. The fact is they are muppets who had no more idea of where the price of fuel was heading than you or I. They gambled big simply because they can with no chance of personal loss but a 50 percent chance of personal gain in massive, unprecedented bonuses. There's nothing in the books worth hiding other than a 23 billion dollar embarrassment that the whole world knows and laughs about.

They aren't master criminals. They are incompetent.
But hey, if you can sleep easier thinking these people are brilliant then don't let me stop you.

cxorcist 22nd Sep 2017 01:24

Fair points, but if they destroy the package for pilots, what is worth saving here? If they honestly think pilot concessions are all that is standing between success and failure at CX, then the place is going down anyways. No savings we can give them will spare the Company from Darwin's theory. They'll have to adapt without me on this one.

crwkunt roll 22nd Sep 2017 01:46


For the last couple of weeks you have all been well lubed by the propaganda.... So tonight I present you the ">>>>PINEAPPLE<<<<". This is the "fruit" of our efforts and guess where we want to put it?


Do you really need to go?


It aint going to be pretty! http://cdn.pprune.org/images/smilies/thumbs.gif
Go where......?


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