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Flex88 6th Jul 2017 00:48

Yet more evidence that CX is mismanaged
 
Re the above:

Both the "Friday Liar" and the "Le Dried Out French Roll" slathering praise on the now departed (early) Airbus Dancing Buffoon...

Do I need to say more....:ugh:

Flex88 13th Jul 2017 05:47

Yet more evidence that CX is mismanaged
 
A "SURPRISE" retirement party for the Dancing Buffoon(video now out) happening soon...?? Don't stand in the hallway as you might get trampled by those running in the opposite direction to the "sign up here" desk on the gutted 3rd floor. Problem is, he's not retiring... when it turns in it's ID card, there will then be cause to celebrate..


Can you say "DYSFUNCTIONAL" OMG !!!!!!!

Oval3Holer 13th Jul 2017 17:44

Slosar passport
 
Flex88,
The document showing his new citizenship can be downloaded from a New Zealand government business filing website where Cathay filed a notice regarding a change of information in its directors.

Strewth 14th Jul 2017 03:43

Overseas Company's Changes NZCO 090610

Federal Register IRS 052410

Strewth 19th Jul 2017 04:11

Cathay Pacific Hogg disappointed Bloomberg 190717

Cathay Pacific Hogg turn around Bloomberg 280417


Strewth 21st Jul 2017 13:14


"When companies have a crisis situation, how you communicate as a brand may end up being more important than what you do and what actually happened.CX 101016
Cathay Dragon codeshare to final destination SCMP 300617

Shenzhen Airlines misses Big Buddha The Straits Times 290616

Shenzhen Airlines The Aviation Herald


Pucka 23rd Jul 2017 03:05

Back to thread..ish..so CX axe a heap of jobs..announce a major slimming of management jobs, then via the friday fire lighter, award 3 new management appointments in "people" dept ..aka HR..and that's just this week! tracking where this has gone since the redundancies, i note a shed load more..all in twilight, low impact roles that have little or even poor bearing on where CX ought to be going…looks like HR have been awarded a silver chalice...

Staggers 23rd Jul 2017 04:02


Originally Posted by Pucka (Post 9839223)
Back to thread..ish..so CX axe a heap of jobs..announce a major slimming of management jobs, then via the friday fire lighter, award 3 new management appointments in "people" dept ..aka HR..and that's just this week! tracking where this has gone since the redundancies, i note a shed load more..all in twilight, low impact roles that have little or even poor bearing on where CX ought to be going…looks like HR have been awarded a silver chalice...

Quite a few internal openings that look like jobs people were "let go" from.

Curioser and curioser.....or maybe not.

Farman Biplane 23rd Jul 2017 05:30

Perhaps the vacancies are directed at the HPE consultants! I am sure that having seen the well intentioned management/financial/TTW plan they will be right onboard, champing at the bit!

mngmt mole 23rd Jul 2017 05:45

Anyone who believes that the 'layoffs' were anything more than smoke and mirrors hasn't worked here for very long. The management is simply trying to justify going after the pilots (as they have for the past 23 years). Nothing changes. Hopefully most of us will realise that the only strategy to combat their aims is to resist on all levels. We may succeed, we may not. Certainly just rolling over and agreeing to what they have in mind will only send the career value of working for CX to the absolute bottom of expectations. Up to everyone to determine that outcome.

Will IB Fayed 24th Jul 2017 11:22


Originally Posted by Dan Buster (Post 9839297)
Exactly. In 3 years time there will be record profits. Don't fall for the Doom 'n' Gloom show now. It is CX Negotiating 101. They have been doing it for decades.

I disagree. This airline is toast. Poorly managed, advantages of hkg as the hub of Asia gone, operating from an airport which only has increasing delays (until 3rd rwy circa 2028). You're deluded if you think cx will pull away fron the Hainan group / CSA and mainland carriers.
If I wasn't so lazy, I'd be searching for another job.

GTC58 25th Jul 2017 01:14

I agree. I believe CX will not be able to adjust to the changing market place and competition. Will will see a much smaller CX in the future.

Flex88 25th Jul 2017 01:55

Interesting ??
 

Originally Posted by Pucka (Post 9839223)
Back to thread..ish..so CX axe a heap of jobs..announce a major slimming of management jobs, then via the friday fire lighter, award 3 new management appointments in "people" dept ..aka HR..and that's just this week! tracking where this has gone since the redundancies, i note a shed load more..all in twilight, low impact roles that have little or even poor bearing on where CX ought to be going…looks like HR have been awarded a silver chalice...

Yes Puca, very interesting..
I'm not 100% sure however I believe the "People" dept has not yet had the hammer drop re firings. They are yet to be done as are many other departments.
"Time to Win" management is merely taking a breather before the next round of sackings and there are many more still to be sacked. People, Airports, Engineering ++ etc.. Aug 1st is the next big day I believe..

positionalpor 25th Jul 2017 05:37

British Airways: a brilliant example of how cost-cutting increases costs
 
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/british-airways-brilliant-example-how-cost-cutting-costs-jackson?trk=eml-email_feed_ecosystem_digest_01-recommended_articles-7-Unknown&midToken=AQE6XB2nWwnC-g&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=2Njh8GsmPeJDQ1

CCA 25th Jul 2017 06:08

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/briti...2Njh8GsmPeJDQ1

goathead 26th Jul 2017 02:43

You have to remember our leaders are some of the best of the best , they know better!


https://www.google.com.hk/amp/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/night-piers-gaveston-society-elite-6486118.amp

Strewth 26th Jul 2017 03:38

Cathay Pacific "execution chamber" parts III & IV Human Resources 240717

HKA Career

betpump5 26th Jul 2017 03:58

Bloody good article that regarding how BA's cost cutting has cost them more in the long run.

Sadly the article lost all credibility at the end when the journalist wrote his list of steps BA should do:

Mr Walsh: find Cruz’s replacement from a decent airline; I recommend Cathay, Singapore or Emirates. If not, do what Apple did and go to a top-class hotel chain. They know how to create a branded customer experience.

Cathay? Decent airline? Almost wet myself.

Strewth 26th Jul 2017 14:39

Forbes Airline rankings 2017

Swires are dropping a billion a year, worth a punt on bods from Delta, American, Southwest or IAG.

Flex88 27th Jul 2017 02:27


Originally Posted by Strewth (Post 9842362)

Rumor has it, confirmed by some obscure publication, that near another 150 were sacked on the 21st. Never made the local CX biased rags but then the "shhhhh don't talk about the sackings" mantra coming from the "People Dept" is working (this includes all their "new hires" ???)

Still to go, some very large departments have not yet paid the price for "Mismanagement" :D More sackings to follow - hopefully publicly.

Liam Gallagher 27th Jul 2017 10:56

I couldn't resist clicking on the link on the HR website about the 32 year old (male) Safety Trainer allegedly groping the 34 year (male) trainee steward.

I have been going to Safety Classes for years and nobody has groped me. Is there something wrong with me? Should I wear a skimpy outfit next year? More Brut 33 perhaps? Is it the moobs or smell of failed marriages that scares them off?

Strewth 28th Jul 2017 06:32

Delta, AF-KL, Virgin Atlantic, and China Eastern MEGADEAL Business Insider 280717

Strewth 28th Jul 2017 07:07

Cathay Pigsty Bloomberg 130417 Cathay Pacific Air China hookup Barron's 270717

You'd wanna sort out your Employee relations with new HR bods, upgage, increase and expand regional routes, codeshare, hire crew, lose the hedges and increase yields to get dollar first. Shame about the CC, effecting market share, yield and structural change. Mismanagement are on the clock.

Strewth 28th Jul 2017 17:53

BA/ IAG restructuring, slot constraints, Brexit, ME3, LCC, Cabin crew strikes and stabby types, pounds depreciation, IT, baggage; never mind another billion since New Years. IAG Soars Telegraph 280717

Strewth 29th Jul 2017 09:19

Do not base expectations of future results on past performance. Why its time to pay the butchers bill.

Strewth 31st Jul 2017 06:50



No; it ain't just you! Reuters 310717

Freehills 31st Jul 2017 07:02

And we have a saviour on the way!

New Cathay Pacific investor Kingboard urges shareholder Swire to lead airline out of ?hard times? | South China Morning Post

With experience running sweatshop factories in China, he's ideal for TTW!

Strewth 31st Jul 2017 14:39




Will Horton, from CAPA Centre for Aviation, said it was “unclear what benefit” direct Swire involvement would yield. Two members of the family currently sit on the airline’s board. Seeing little merit in Kingboard’s suggestion, Horton said: “The situation is not the Swire family relaxing on a tea plantation outside Colombo oblivious to the seismic changes in Asian aviation.”
Cathay Needs Less Swire, Not More Bloomberg 310717

However, Cheung said the airline’s financial health and business model remained sound despite the substantial losses arising from low oil prices.
Cheung maintained the company had a “future” and urged management to reverse the negative mindset of frontline staff amid job cuts.

Trafalgar 31st Jul 2017 15:03

....png also noted Kingboard had no experience running an airline. Well, no problem then, welcome aboard. Can't do much worse than the 'experienced' managers we currently have. Seriously, you can't make this stuff up.

( and a word to the wise, you can see where this is rapidly going. Won't sell, won't sell, won't sell....SOLD!).

Trafalgar 31st Jul 2017 15:08

And take a note of the comments in the linked article "cathay needs less swire, not more". And I quote: "Cathay is the most richly valued of the worlds major airlines". Try to remember that when this malignant lot of managers starts crying poor. Either you insist you are valued properly, or they will set your value for you (and you won't like it). Forewarned.

Strewth 3rd Aug 2017 21:13

Going... The Loadstar 260417


The change is expected on 1 June, after a period of transition. Mr Ginns has been at Cathay for 26 years, but this appears to be his first job on the cargo side.
Going... Air Cargo News 220517


The airline said cargo director designate, Ginns, will instead take up a UK-based role in the Cathay Pacific Group, meaning he has been moved on from the role before he had even started it.
Gone, but not really... Travel Daily 030817


Moving back to the UK with his wife and four sons, James added: “The chance to return to the UK was perfect timing for us as a family; so I jumped at the opportunity given that my last spell with Cathay Pacific Europe was 24 years ago in Paris.”

Trafalgar 3rd Aug 2017 21:33

Moving back to the UK with his wife and four sons, James added: “The chance to return to the UK was perfect timing for us as a family; so I jumped at the opportunity given that my last spell with Cathay Pacific Europe was 24 years ago in Paris.”


Well, I for one am grateful and relieved that he and his family are going to be enjoying a proper life together in a first world country. :rolleyes: Surprised the Swire's didn't hold that posting for ransom....see what he would have given up to get it. Surely they don't want another happy employee....???

Freehills 4th Aug 2017 00:31


Originally Posted by Trafalgar (Post 9851355)
Moving back to the UK with his wife and four sons, James added: “[I]The chance to return to the UK was perfect timing for us as a family; so I jumped at the opportunity given that my last spell with Cathay Pacific Europe was 24 years ago in Paris

Well, I for one am grateful and relieved that he and his family are going to be enjoying a proper life together in a first world country. :rolleyes: Surprised the Swire's didn't hold that posting for ransom....see what he would have given up to get it. Surely they don't want another happy employee....???

Well, to be fair he has taken a demotion from director to general manager in return for the basing

Trafalgar 4th Aug 2017 02:23

Would expect nothing less. You can't expect to live a normal life without giving up all the value in your career. Them's the rules! (CX rules)

Liam Gallagher 4th Aug 2017 10:36

Had to laugh at today's Friday Fibber. Lots of delays on the Freighter due to crewing issues (which is not particularly funny) but had a good chortle about the 14 hour delay due to a problem with the left hand seat.... no doubt the problem was there was no Captain to sit on it. :)

With the freight market doing well, you'd think the Company would be keen to resolve any outstanding issues with the 747 pilots (beyond some sprinkles of Illy coffee and a handful of curry flavoured air fresheners)

Time to win folks... time to win...

Ducking Pilots.

Strewth 4th Aug 2017 16:05

Cathay Pacific outport "review" blueprints SCMP 040817


Tom Owen, the airline’s director of human resources, announced in the company’s in-house staff magazine: “We’re starting a comprehensive review of our outports – how they work with HQ (headquarters), which will have an impact on their own organisational structures.”

A source from Cathay Pacific familiar with the matter said: “We haven’t touched on the outports and the obvious next step, now that Hong Kong has been reorganised – how do we work with outports?

“We have to do a complete review first, and then we’ll have a blueprint of what needs to be reorganised to make the company more competitive and agile.”
Deep throat must be deep, hope old Ginns gonna be okay. Human resources appears to share no regard for how this "announcement" may effect Cathay Pacific outport staff, whilst others ponder the "announcement" cynics mumble share price. Bit thick or what but appears no one knows what's going on, I'm confused, how longs this all been going on.

Time2Win 4th Aug 2017 20:47

Why do we still stay here if things are really that bad and the company is spiralling out of control? Shouldn't we jump ship?
Nah, let's all stay

cxorcist 5th Aug 2017 16:37


Originally Posted by Time2Win (Post 9852370)
Why do we still stay here if things are really that bad and the company is spiralling out of control? Shouldn't we jump ship?
Nah, let's all stay

That's the calculus! Throw away decades or go down with the ship?

Shep69 6th Aug 2017 02:26

The place clearly suffers from 'Noman Disorder'

It's got 'no' men where the 'yes' men need to be and 'yes' men where the 'no' men need to be.

Women too.

Time2Win 6th Aug 2017 05:15


Originally Posted by Frank W. Abagnale (Post 9853318)
It's because human beings don't like change.
And let's face it:
Why would a 777 Captain give up his 10 day job and a 30.000 US$ pay check ?
Senior Airbus folks see the light at the end of the tunnel with the A50.
All junior guys on those fleets are just waiting to get into those positions.
Which leaves us with the 747 fleet. But they are a minority so who cares ?

Exactly.

Unfortunately.

So why don't we all just go to work with lube in hand.
Collect our paychecks.
Stop posting ideas that never come to fruition on rumor boards.
Spend time with our loved ones.
Retire relatively happy.


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