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Average Fool 20th May 2017 01:03

They would probably hire him, rave about the "turnaround", then do absolutely none of the suggestions.

mngmt mole 20th May 2017 01:10

Sadly you are probably correct. Of course, there would be a new survey in there somewhere :ugh:

Arfur Dent 20th May 2017 15:23

A Senior Manager in the "Procurement Department " chose to equip our A50's to the current levels of finish. Has he been challenged to justify such premature failure of the interiors or parts thereof? Have those who installed such mismatched rubbish been called upon to replace the offending items? Are there not warranties in place?
No - didn't think so........

cxorcist 20th May 2017 18:17

"We don't blame people at CX, just as we don't blame pilots for a hard landings." - AT

... because accountability is so overrated! Funny how mis-management adopts the Snowflake mantra when it suits them but remains in the Colonial Ages on their labour relationships. No hypocrisy there!

LongTimeInCX 20th May 2017 23:57

Deckchairs ..... Titanic.....? Anyone

Pucka 21st May 2017 06:14

The sad matter is, that even after all these screw ups, the same individuals are still in situ..no heads roll and they're even allowed a second and third shot at the same subject..from EFB, A50 furnishings, forward Galley A50, the hideous and frankly unhygienic forward biz class Loo with its see through door and the general state of some of our carpets..particularly in first class…what a total and utter mess..and now this al la carte nonsense..you can't polish a turd, let alone eat one...

clear.right 21st May 2017 06:51


Originally Posted by Pucka (Post 9777436)
The sad matter is, that even after all these screw ups, the same individuals are still in situ..no heads roll and they're even allowed a second and third shot at the same subject..from EFB, A50 furnishings, forward Galley A50, the hideous and frankly unhygienic forward biz class Loo with its see through door and the general state of some of our carpets..particularly in first class…what a total and utter mess..and now this al la carte nonsense..you can't polish a turd, let alone eat one...


Exactly what is wrong with "this a la carte nonsense"?

Pucka 21st May 2017 08:10

its the new Biz class A la carte service on demand..same food but served as and when required..no additional CC..nothing to improve hey but hey..10 abreast seating is just a wonderful thing on a 16 hour sector with no healthy snack options and a seat made perfect for that DVT event..

Cavallier 21st May 2017 17:03

Don't forget the "Award Winning" regional Buisness Class Seat !!!! Never seen or experienced such crap in my life. Would rather sit in Economy !!!

The Cav

Starbear 21st May 2017 18:00

The basic problem is that this lot have received(bought) so many awards both externally (Skytrax etc) and internally (world leading IT -jesus h christonabike-really) they genuinely believe their own crap. The Airbus A330 conversion course was very recently referred to (internally) as world class. Anyone suffering that piece of nonsense agree?
I honestly do not think this is salvageable.

cxorcist 21st May 2017 19:47


Originally Posted by Starbear (Post 9777987)
The basic problem is that this lot have received(bought) so many awards both externally (Skytrax etc) and internally (world leading IT -jesus h christonabike-really) they genuinely believe their own crap. The Airbus A330 conversion course was very recently referred to (internally) as world class. Anyone suffering that piece of nonsense agree?
I honestly do not think this is salvageable.

I think this is what professional investors call a broken corporate culture. Only a true change agent can right the ship. Near as I can tell, the Swires do not have such a leader in their midst. Cutting a few hundred middle managers and office staff, despite the arguable appropriateness of such actions, will not fix things. Done improperly, it may well make things worse before they can get better.

CX is grossly behind on IT and lags (or lacks) industry standards in many areas of the operation. We witness those failures on an almost daily basis. Our product deteriorates, and costs run rampant. In some portions of the Company, CX can't even quantify their own expenses holistically because the vertical silos are so disconnected. It's like trying to run when not even able to walk yet. We are in trouble, and cost cuts alone won't fix it. I sure hope they have a decent plan, but there are no indications of that thus far.

Shep69 21st May 2017 21:12

If the only strategy is to slash staff, cut back on service, and defer basings what more evidence does one need ?

cxorcist 21st May 2017 23:10


Originally Posted by Curtain rod (Post 9778144)
There will be yet more and more evidence, too: Although the company desperately needed a CMP 20 years ago, as they were told by us and everyone, watch every dollar that has finally been spent go down right the sewer when this whole thing gets canceled and added to the list of grand failures.

... and the whole failure will be blamed on the pilots' unions!

Farman Biplane 22nd May 2017 00:07

Hong Kong Airlines group will be glad for its new employees and their intimate knowledge of the Cathay systems. TTW CX

Trafalgar 22nd May 2017 01:50

Not to mention the fanatical sense of injustice that will accompany them to HKA. Another 'own-goal' in the making by CX. The tragicomedy continues. :{

Trafalgar 22nd May 2017 01:52

Still haven't heard that those responsible for the fuel hedging debacle have been fired. Of course, we will hear all about the 600+ that are going to be let go because of their incompetence. The same chefs are still in the kitchen, and the food is still burning....

Strewth 4th Jun 2017 19:48

Long haul low cost becomes mainstream as full service airlines gradually embrace new business models

Veruka Salt 5th Jun 2017 03:29

You know the fuel hedging 'debacle' was a deliberate ploy to remove cash from the balance sheet, and provide a 'crisis' smokescreen to drive through a long overdue restructuring? Hence why no heads have rolled - rather, certain people have been promoted. Ivan Chiu has been elevated to a coveted Swire corporate job. They did the job they'd been tasked with doing.

Strewth 5th Jun 2017 04:31

Reckon a la QF. Managements dreamin, day late and a dollar short.


Trafalgar 5th Jun 2017 08:12

oh.....THAT is funny. :-)


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