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Hugo Peroni the IV 27th Mar 2017 06:14

I guess she confused Time to win with Time to Whine (again)

mngmt mole 27th Mar 2017 06:15

Nice to see that she has disproved the common prejudices against women pilots. Oh, wait.... :ooh:

anotherbusdriver 27th Mar 2017 06:24

So many haters here, I think you just proved her point IMHO.

Meanwhile, the real story, the article is just about as good an honest analysis of the situation you will ever find. Well written and an honest appraisal.

Wonder when management are going to start the soul searching then?

Never. Bring on more cuts and more blaming. Never own a mistake and never apologise for a stuff up. That's not the way old chaps now is it? More whiskey please and a cigar while we are at it. Let somebody else clean up the mess - that's what the plebs are for, isn't it?

Table For 1 27th Mar 2017 06:41

Actually the real story here is that 36 of your colleagues are about to be made redundant or forced to HKG with CX once again ignoring clear Offer of Emplyment Terms and Conditions. But hey most of them are ex-KA so who cares......and yeah thanks for the solidarity and support some of you HKAOA guys and girls gave them by proactively advocating the closure of Manchester on Yammer. Anything to allow you to commute better whilst pocketing the ARAPA........yep all potential newcomers pay attention: CX Management and your fellow pilots are all posionous....stay well away.

mngmt mole 27th Mar 2017 06:49

Table. I believe that the commentary on Yammer is predominately in support of ANY crewing issue being resolved based on strict seniority. Have you a problem with that?

Arfur Dent 27th Mar 2017 17:54

There is a strange phenomenon at large here. The article is a pretty damning indictment of our management (small "m") and it pretty much describes Cathay's woes.
The thread, however, almost immediately descended into DS and AOA bashing and childish insults between so called professional aviators (one can assume anyway).
Part of me thinks you get what you bloody well deserve - at least those "contributors" so far.
Grow up for heaven's sake - or inhabit "Jet Blast".

McNugget 27th Mar 2017 18:18


Originally Posted by mngmt mole (Post 9720294)
Nice to see that she has disproved the common prejudices against women pilots. Oh, wait.... :ooh:

Classic..!

Average Fool 27th Mar 2017 19:01

This thread must be full of management.

Completely ignoring the reality of the article and shifting the subject.

Natca 28th Mar 2017 01:22

Unfortuately what those management types are now trying to hide and play off is yes they are going to strink management first ie combining Dragon and CX flight ops folks but the next move will be seniority list integration and they shall try to reap the staffing benifits there. This is coming, get ready while you have time. SLI is real.

mngmt mole 28th Mar 2017 04:46

It's almost surreal working for what is arguably the most dysfunctional airline in the industry. A clueless management, a feckless pilot group, sad. I predict a very unhappy ending for CX when the history books are written.

Gnadenburg 28th Mar 2017 05:05

Integrating KA with CX would be stupid. KA is small and if properly managed is possibly well placed to compete with the competition in many areas. One matter of great import is commands ! We may be one summer away from the great white hope that is expansion coming off the rails unless things done with a new mindset.

Would a CX operationally managed KA have the ability to rapidly reverse from the old ways of doing things, for a competitive advantage against our regional counterparts? Or would the first management consequence be contract compliance from the DPA due a legacy of confrontation? A possible disaster awaits. Or can't we just be sold off?

Natca 28th Mar 2017 06:52


Originally Posted by Gnadenburg (Post 9721311)
Integrating KA with CX would be stupid. KA is small and if properly managed is possibly well placed to compete with the competition in many areas. One matter of great import is commands ! We may be one summer away from the great white hope that is expansion coming off the rails unless things done with a new mindset.

Would a CX operationally managed KA have the ability to rapidly reverse from the old ways of doing things, for a competitive advantage against our regional counterparts? Or would the first management consequence be contract compliance from the DPA due a legacy of confrontation? A possible disaster awaits. Or can't we just be sold off?

A sell off is much easier if your selling one airline and operation, this has been said before in previous sales and mergers.

spleener 28th Mar 2017 13:10

KA is a wholly owned subsidiary of CX.
Buy the house, get the value added contents.

Foxdeux 28th Mar 2017 13:22

I was always under the impression that Dragonair (Cathay Dragon) was Cathay Pacific's budget airline, or atleast should've been. I mean when Dragonair first started with Tristars people used to make fun of them that when one plane was in the air there were no planes on the ground.

Mr Angry from Purley 29th Mar 2017 18:37


Wonder when management are going to start the soul searching then?
If the Management are failing to understand the reality of Cathy's position one suspects the Pilots are not that far behind either..........

Average Fool 29th Mar 2017 20:07

They aren't. Which is why they are in the position they are today.

Fool Sufferer 30th Mar 2017 07:16

Sadly, it appears this once great airline and business, which is now nothing other than a faint shadow of its former glory, is headed inexorably for oblivion.

Unfortunately, the inevitable demise is only a matter of time.

It would seem most prudent at this point, for expatriate employees in particular, to have a solid exit strategy formulated.

shortly2 31st Mar 2017 01:28

Doom, gloom, misery, despair oh my goodness the sky is falling. Ok I among many think that the massive fuel hedging fiasco smells really suspect and probably warrants further investigation from regulators/IRD folk etc, However could I suggest that we, every time we speak to the Swire Princes/Princesses that have us by the short and curlies, suggest solutions? Surely eventually they will listen. (Chuckle, chuckle). When are we going to buy an aircraft that adequately provides a premium product? Cripey might even have to have 4 engines. Until we decide what type of airline we are we are going round in circles.

JulieAndrews 31st Mar 2017 07:53

"mainland management" as a saviour - how do you spell oxymoron?

Captain Dart 31st Mar 2017 08:06

Some mainland airlines offer good dosh, and basings. A mainland management may actually be more pragmatic, and without the current lot's baggage.


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