Cathay has had cadet pilots since the late 1980's however no more than a handful of courses per year. The percentage of cadets to direct entry second officers/first officers (90's) was very small.

Nowadays, since the introduction of C scale from 2010/11 onwards, the majority of new joiners (cadets) have had very little, to no experience at all, compared to pre 2008. This lack of previous experience has been evident with many not passing their JFO/QL upgrades at their first attempt, compounded by not putting in the effort during their s/o days, proffering flights away in their JFO phase and then panicking once they see their QL scheduled. :ugh:

The safety standards have been maintained because many of the present captains joined with experience. Don't kid yourself :ugh:

McNugget, you have a "Batchelors" degree?

He got it from a soup company.

And our managers have degrees too!

What about my training assessment line check? Can I sign on for that early?

Rat. Brilliant.

Reporting people...I despair.... Jesus talk about a toxic workplace!

I wouldn't say I don't like it, I would say I find this kind of behaviour completely unacceptable in 2017. Bullying in the workplace is the common term. There are many many other CONSTRUCTIVE ways you could deal with this without intimudating colleagues who, at the end of the day are grown adults and have the right to make their own decisions. The company's behaviour is not justification for us to behave poorly.

Thanks for the clarification Jurgen

Jesus Christ McNugget! By the fact you've been here 6 years I'm assuming you are HKPA. We have just rolled HKPA into contact compliance because apparently you guys are on a **** deal and can't afford to live in HK (which I believe by the way!) yet here you are bragging about how much you paid and how easy the job is! What's it gonna be? If you are getting paid so well and are obviously flush with cash then what the hell are we doing in contact compliance for you?

Either;
(a) you are on here as a management mole, or
(b) you are on here kicking home goals left, right centre.

Here's a little tip for negotiating. If you want a company to pay you more don't go on a public forum bragging about how much you earn. Which is why I'm thinking (a) you are a management mole... Because no one is that dumb (btw... Your pay figures appear a little embellished to me... Probably should pick more believable figures for a FO3).

We've got some guys on here complaining that CC/TB is screwing their upgrade, yet they are the self same demographic that just forced us into adding HKPA to CC thereby potentially extending it.

I'm confused as to what you guys want from us? It appears everything.

Calm down, petal.

I wasn't defending the contract. I was telling it as I see it. My rocket science comment? That is based on my experience. I wrote in reply to an embittered colleague who was bleating about the experience levels from days of old. My point still stands. You don't need 8000 hours to be a first officer on a modern jet.

The pay figures I quoted are on the conservative side for me. They are not embellished.

80 + 8 + 14 = 104k. Plus allowances. Plus 15.5% p-fund contribution of the 80 + 8. Thats year FO1.. It isn't bragging. It is a simple, accurate statement. Not sure what a home goal is. Is it similar to an own goal?

So, "Jesus Christ, Petal". Cool your jets.

Read what's presented to you, instead of leaping to conclusions.

Sorry, my "Jesus Christ" comment was simply due my astonishment as to why you would come on here bragging about how much you earn whilst at the same time your peers are begging the rest of the union to double down on Contract Compliance to get you guys a better deal on HKPA?

Do your colleagues appreciate you undermining their bargaining position?

P.s. I appreciate you trying to get a rise out of me with the 'Calm down Petal' comments. Nice play ;)

I understand why you would confuse us, since I agree with 90% of mr. Curtain's posts and have often wanted to buy him a few rounds.
Seems like he now owes me one.

If you (think you) know me, you should also know I don't do "anonymous".
I fight full on and head on. No masks.

Blue skies.

JL

McNugget.

With 8000+ hrs some will never make a half-decent FO, you included. However, with 250+hrs you are an accident looking for a grid reference. If you take your frustrations airborne with you, then you become a danger to those around you. Perhaps you are in the wrong occupation.

No apology necessary. As I thought I'd clarified earlier; there was no bragging. Merely a statement. It's no secret. It's up to people to decide if that will work for them. Plenty say that it won't, and that's a good thing. If answering questions honestly is undermining a bargaining position, then it appears said position is looking for a smoke-screen.

Undermining it would be me telling everyone it's awesome. I'm not doing that. All I can do is tell people answers from my perspective.

TheFUB,

Thank you for the pep-talk. I'll be sure to give it some thought, Ice-Man. Unlike you, I don't have frustrations. You're right, however, I'm sure I'll never make a decent FO - It's just so tricky!

I'm sorry you didn't get enough hugs as a child. Try not to take it out on your colleagues.

McNugget

A batchelors... sounds mighty prestigious. Is that the same place Elizabeth Quat went to school? Sounds like it.

Wait a minute! The chairman hasn't resigned from training? I bet Contract Compliance is not much of an embuggerence for him either. Talk about leading from the front.

Does that include the times you were stabbing your "friends" in the back by betraying their trust and privacy?

You were exactly the wrong guy to be enforcing CC. You are as dirty and agenda driven as any of the CC violators you reported on. Zero integrity, the exact opposite of what you purport.

Maybe DS can accept a promotion to STC?

He is already a complete hypocrite for remaining in training while asking the rest of the world not to assist in training CX pilots.

Hard to believe if it weren't true...

Indeed, Dilbert, indeed. When will DSS wake up? Perhaps never, and the HKAOA is all the more compromised and weakened. Sad, but true.

Flaenders - cxorcist
 

Cxorcist
in regards to your comment about JL - his integrity is without question IMO. And like him, I don't do anonymous!

MOST airlines recognize SO time? What in the hell are you smoking? SO time is the free **** you do to get in the right seat and start logging real time. And, as mentioned, you don't log your bunk time. You can know your logbook as much as you want, but it sounds like your logbook is a little fudged and a real airline is going to throw it back at you and you will not get hired. Not to worry, though -- there's always China, India and the Middle East for you to peddle your Parker Pen time.

aaaaaahhhhhhhh..... THis is so frustrating..... I just want this over with.... I just want to finally be able to enjoy my job again........The union is useless I am sorry to say. I just hope they can get my ass out of jail faster than they can negotiate a stop to CC and TB.:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confus ed::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confus ed::zzz::zzz::zzz::zzz:

Anotherday.
To be fair, 'upgrade' from TC to TCC is NOT an upgrade and carries no increment, NOR is it voluntary, as ALL TC's HAVE to become TCC'S.
NOW, volunteering for training, or to go TCC to STC etc., that is a different kettle of fish.
Glad I'm going!

Anotherday: EVERY member of the HKAOA that took an upgrade in training after May 2015 is no longer a member of the HKAOA. Fact!

Anotherday, you're obviously not in the AoA and obviously a management troll.

I can think of 3 scabs who have been expelled (or resigned from the union just before being given the boot) after they took a training job or upgraded from within.

And don't worry, I'm quite sure the rest of us members will remember their names for a looooong time.

I'm not sure how delaying command on the base is the same as delaying command in Hong Kong.... lots of people were doing that anyway, seems silly to then say it was for "staying true to" contract compliance.

Nobody on a base deferred their command to stay true to CC. It was to stay true to lifestyle and their children's upbringing! Anyone who claims different is full of BS.

Quite simple really, fly with the based guys, talk to them. Those with families happily settled are generally staying on the base, those whose kids have grown up, several are coming back to Hong Kong for their command. Not a word about contract compliance from anyone of them in their thinking process.



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I concur. Lifestyle is the main reason.